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Old 05-04-2011, 02:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 05-06-2011, 12:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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one more question....
Are the Forces better than Burton Cartels?
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I wouldn't say better. I like the cartel straPs better, but you cannot adjust the heelcup on the cartels for better boot fit like on the unions. Also, I hate that cartels have built in forward lean.

But there are other buttons and brands I find way better than the forces. It's all personal preference.
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Also, I hate that cartels have built in forward lean.
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one more question....
Are the Forces better than Burton Cartels?
Go into your local snowboard shop, hold a pair of Forces and a Cartel in your hands at the same time, then you tell us which is better. Though I haven't ridden the Forces, I would say go the cartels, sure they have forward lean built in (though maybe not in 2012), but they are a way better finished binding and just as functional as the Force.
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Go into your local snowboard shop, hold a pair of Forces and a Cartel in your hands at the same time, then you tell us which is better. Though I haven't ridden the Forces, I would say go the cartels, sure they have forward lean built in (though maybe not in 2012), but they are a way better finished binding and just as functional as the Force.
Yeah I agree. Nothing better than going out there and doing some research and holding the binding you are thinking of riding before you buy it. If you can still ride where ur at and can somehow demo stuff, do so. The problem I think a lot of respondents have to threads like these is everyone has a preference. If you (OP) rode many many different bindings, you would also have a preference too and probably wouldnt need to post this. Of course we try to help with opinions but its so confusing. The Cartels are lighter than the Forces, but I've held both in my hands. And I prefer Forces.
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Yeah I agree. Nothing better than going out there and doing some research and holding the binding you are thinking of riding before you buy it. If you can still ride where ur at and can somehow demo stuff, do so. The problem I think a lot of respondents have to threads like these is everyone has a preference. If you (OP) rode many many different bindings, you would also have a preference too and probably wouldnt need to post this. Of course we try to help with opinions but its so confusing. The Cartels are lighter than the Forces, but I've held both in my hands. And I prefer Forces.
Thats intersting, I havent ridden the Force, but have held them in my hands, have ridden cartels from a few seasons ago and held the same year of cartel along side the union. My preferance, Cartels. My thoughts were that the Union looked archaic by comparison and I didn't think that the build quality was there at all. The highback was so flimsy, the work on the straps was sub-par and they appeared heavier. I have described this to others as 'assembled by monkeys and QA'd by down syndrome kids'.
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Thats intersting, I havent ridden the Force, but have held them in my hands, have ridden cartels from a few seasons ago and held the same year of cartel along side the union. My preferance, Cartels. My thoughts were that the Union looked archaic by comparison and I didn't think that the build quality was there at all. The highback was so flimsy, the work on the straps was sub-par and they appeared heavier. I have described this to others as 'assembled by monkeys and QA'd by down syndrome kids'.
Well I havent had an extensive go at the Cartels so I cant comment beyond where I last posted. But OP could consider the Cartels as well. They are a popular binding and for good reason. I dont really think the Union Forces look or feel archaic, or that the Cartels look any more modern. I agree Cartels are lighter (but I'm not sure what kind of beating it can withstand). The previous Union straps were honestly quite horrid. The Union ankle strap has improved and so have their toe ratchet by quite a bit. Highback on Forces aren't flimsy and if anything the Cartel highbacks seem flimsier to me (I dont know for sure, I've not broken either one before). I prefer the way Union Force baseplates are set-up and how the cushioning goes, versus the Cartel. To me they are both worthwhile bindings for the OP to consider.

I'm done discussing preferences in this thread, everyone has one, theres no right answer, and the only way you know if something works for you is to go and put a decent amount of time and effort on a pair of bindings. Main reason for my replying was to help the OP with some honest opinions. I dont think "assembled by monkeys and QA'd by down syndrome kids" is objective/fair/helpful and not sure why you are proud of it enough to reproduce it here. Esp when many people do have problems with Burton bindings too. Over and out.
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I'm done discussing preferences in this thread, everyone has one, theres no right answer, and the only way you know if something works for you is to go and put a decent amount of time and effort on a pair of bindings. Main reason for my replying was to help the OP with some honest opinions. I dont think "assembled by monkeys and QA'd by down syndrome kids" is objective/fair/helpful and not sure why you are proud of it enough to reproduce it here. Esp when many people do have problems with Burton bindings too. Over and out.
Well, if I were to say what i thought of them on here (they're shit, the rivet work on the ratchets looks like its been carried out in some 3rd world workshop, and the castings that are produced for the bases are... so far behind, its easy to see where the additional weight comes from, the design has not changed since I can remember, thats fine if you have a great product, however, its hardly progressive. Changing the colour each year does not create a new product, it just changes the colour of the old product. Putting a cover on your highback doesnt make it a new product, it makes it the same highback, with a sock on it) the Union fan club would probably start flaming, so i put a humourous touch on it. I laugh when the threads start for "check out the new union for this year", to me...it looks like last years stuff, but a different colour?

Your right though, Cartels aren't with out there problems, nor are any other binding, the cartels I owned 5 seasons ago are a world away from the ones that Burton produce these days though.

I heard that they actually fired the downy kid and promoted one of the monkeys into the QC role, because the kid kept sending back their bindings for QC matters....you heard that here first.
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I rode union for 2 seasons now, and i would say spend your $200 elsewhere.

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