2011 Burton Cartel vs.2012 Burton Cartel? - Snowboarding Forum

GQxPhil · 09-13-2011, 01:46 PM

So im in the market for new bindings. i'm a all around rider. i do alittle bit of everything. so i was thinking about purchasing the Burton cartels. what i want to know is whats the difference between the 2011 and the 2012?

my setup

board: Rossignal Retox 147
Boots: burton twc
Bindings: burton cartel (once i figure out the difference)

Physic

hieight: 5'3
wieght: 135lbs

and if you guys can give me an opinion or suggestions on my setup that would be great.

tekniq33 · 09-13-2011, 02:34 PM

first off the major difference will lie in whether you are comparing last years ReFlex Cartels or just the standard ones. This year is ReFlex only.

They will be very similar though the highback has changed for '12. Also they have dialed down the forward lean to practically 0 for this year as well.

Other than that the straps are the same. Both the '11 reflex and this year have autocant, same baseplate, etc .

If you are looking at last years standard version vs. this year, than they are totally different given the full baseplate, no autocant, etc.

GQxPhil · 09-13-2011, 04:46 PM

i was actually looking for the re:flex version. thanx for the info. how bad is the forward lean on the '11 version? and if you can give an opinion on my setup too. thanx

tekniq33 · 09-13-2011, 05:06 PM

Personally, I like a little forward lean anyway so it didnt bother me. I loved the cartels. Very comfortable, solid construction, good straps, the reflex is nice.

can't really comment on your set up, I am huge compared to you and ride a lot different type of boards. THat being said, I have heard good things about the Rossi and I am sure you will love the Cartels. I believe the Retox is a mid stiff freestyle board. The Cartels will pair up nicely.

GQxPhil · 09-14-2011, 07:48 AM

@tekniq33 thanks. i like the forward lean as well, question is how much forward lean. at least the '12 i can move it back and forth, if the '11 are naturally forward it might be to much for me. i guess i can always get the '11 and if i dont like them i can get the '12.

tekniq33 · 09-14-2011, 08:16 AM

if you are down with even a little forward lean, just get the '11. Its more like the high back in angled forward a bit, not exactly the same ans when you specifically dial in forward lean.

IMO, last years matte black is nicer than the shiny black for '12 and I dont really like this years white and green options either.

GQxPhil · 09-14-2011, 02:21 PM

so let me ask you this what is the difference between the regular and the est. what if est?

george_4116 · 09-14-2011, 02:38 PM

EST's are the bindings that are used specifically for Burton's Channel Boards; standard is for use with all other boards.

09-13-2011, 01:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
GQxPhil Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 8	2011 Burton Cartel vs.2012 Burton Cartel? So im in the market for new bindings. i'm a all around rider. i do alittle bit of everything. so i was thinking about purchasing the Burton cartels. what i want to know is whats the difference between the 2011 and the 2012? my setup board: Rossignal Retox 147 Boots: burton twc Bindings: burton cartel (once i figure out the difference) Physic hieight: 5'3 wieght: 135lbs and if you guys can give me an opinion or suggestions on my setup that would be great. Last edited by GQxPhil; 09-13-2011 at 04:47 PM. Reason: adding info

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09-13-2011, 02:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
tekniq33 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 723	first off the major difference will lie in whether you are comparing last years ReFlex Cartels or just the standard ones. This year is ReFlex only. They will be very similar though the highback has changed for '12. Also they have dialed down the forward lean to practically 0 for this year as well. Other than that the straps are the same. Both the '11 reflex and this year have autocant, same baseplate, etc . If you are looking at last years standard version vs. this year, than they are totally different given the full baseplate, no autocant, etc.

09-13-2011, 04:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
GQxPhil Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 8	i was actually looking for the re:flex version. thanx for the info. how bad is the forward lean on the '11 version? and if you can give an opinion on my setup too. thanx

09-13-2011, 05:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
tekniq33 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 723	Personally, I like a little forward lean anyway so it didnt bother me. I loved the cartels. Very comfortable, solid construction, good straps, the reflex is nice. can't really comment on your set up, I am huge compared to you and ride a lot different type of boards. THat being said, I have heard good things about the Rossi and I am sure you will love the Cartels. I believe the Retox is a mid stiff freestyle board. The Cartels will pair up nicely.

09-14-2011, 07:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
GQxPhil Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 8	@tekniq33 thanks. i like the forward lean as well, question is how much forward lean. at least the '12 i can move it back and forth, if the '11 are naturally forward it might be to much for me. i guess i can always get the '11 and if i dont like them i can get the '12.

09-14-2011, 08:16 AM	#6 (permalink)
tekniq33 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 723	if you are down with even a little forward lean, just get the '11. Its more like the high back in angled forward a bit, not exactly the same ans when you specifically dial in forward lean. IMO, last years matte black is nicer than the shiny black for '12 and I dont really like this years white and green options either.

09-14-2011, 02:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
GQxPhil Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 8	so let me ask you this what is the difference between the regular and the est. what if est?

09-14-2011, 02:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
george_4116 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 49	EST's are the bindings that are used specifically for Burton's Channel Boards; standard is for use with all other boards.