Hawkfan79

Okay I'm starting this thread because it seems I get a different answer from each person I ask. Anyway, I'm looking at getting either the Raiden Phantoms or Blackhawks and I wear '07 K2 T1 size 10 boots. According to Raiden, mediums go to 10.5 and the larges start at 11. So I'm not sure which size to go with. Some say medium, some say large. I would appreciate some advice from someone with experience with Raiden bindings.

CheeseForSteeze

My Raiden Pushers barely fit my size 9.5 ZF1. Granted, the ZF1 is bulky, but regardless, I should have ordered L.

Hawkfan79

Looking at pics the ZF1 doesn't look that much bulkier than my T1's, so maybe large is best. Are your issues with the length, width, or both?

twin89

^ keep in mind that the pushers do not have an adjustable heel cup so i think that the Zeros, Phantoms, and Blackhawks in medium will be able to accomodate larger sizes than a 9.5

i'm in the same boat, 10.5 DC ceptor boot and looking at the Zeros... i'm trying to get to a shop that has both sizes to try it out, but so far no one has been shiped the mediums =(

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CheeseForSteeze

Yes, that is correct, the Pushers are one piece baseplate. However, the boot was still way too wide and the straps, even packed out, were too short. I had about over 2 inches of ladder showing on both sides and because the binding was so narrow, a lot of that length was parallel with the length of the boot sole. Visually, if you were to look down at it, the straps formed a tight 'U' shape rather than a more mellow 'C'. That extra length killed the lateral support. That, as twin89, points out, was due in part to the heel loop not being able to be moved back, but part of it is also because the binding was too narrow for a size 9.5 ZF1.

Strangely enough, the toe ramps weren't overly short, they came up about right in length.

If you are buying online and they have a decent return policy, my suggestion is to buy both and send back the one that doesn't fit. Talk to a CS rep, I know you could do this at dogfunk/backcountry and evo for sure. Not sure about other shops.

SimonB

I have '11 Blackhawks in L with size 12 Burton Moto boots. I consider the boots to be midway between low-profile and bulky.

The fit is just great, with the heelcup adjusted at "2". I'm sure you will not have problems shortening the large to fit a size 10 boot. I'm just not sure about the width. I measured the base plate for you:

- 121mm at the toe-end opening of the baseplate
- 95mm at the heel-end

Hope that helps,

Simon B.

lovthebean

I have had four pairs of Raiden bindings and currently have last years Phantoms and this years Machine, both mediums. I have used them with size 10 Nitro Selects and size 10 32's. The Nitro boots obviously fit the best but the 32 fits fine as well but it's a little wider through the forefoot. So I can't see you having issues with your size 10 K2 boots fitting a medium.

Hawkfan79

I'm assuming you had no issues with the length and straps fitting correctly?

Wiredsport

Hi Hawkfan,

I know that you have been working on this for a while. I am going to take and post some photos of the size Large with a few different boots in them for you. I think that will give you a better idea of what you might expect.

Thanks!

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lovthebean

I had no issues with the strap length with either the 32 or Nitro boots.