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Old 10-07-2011, 09:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been riding Rome Targa's for about 1-2 seasons and have never owned step in bindings like flows. Has anyone made a similar move and loved it or hated it?

What would you rather have?
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think a big part depends on where you ride. Where I am a run may take 30 seconds to MAYBE 5 minutes if you milk it. In cases like that I love having a quick entry binding.
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Some of the places I ride have a ton of flats to traverse to get to some of the good runs
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Old 10-11-2011, 04:44 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I own both, and usually ride both in the same day. Like Sudden Death, my home hill has 30 second runs and 3 - 5 minute runs. Depending on the snow conditions, where I feel like riding, who I'm with, if I'm fresh or draggin my tail, one comes out or the other. The speed thing has never really been an issue, as I never sit down; and both rigs are comfy, and work well. But with the love\hate thing going, smart money says you should demo the Flows before you buy.
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Dude, you've got Targa's and you are considering Flows? Shake your head!
Unless you like less support, cheaper quality, and catching your dropped highback on the loading gates every run...
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If you want a slightly quicker entry, check out any K2s with the Auto system (ie: ever, drone, uprise, etc). They are sick.

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I just recently purchased some NXT's I would recommend looking at GNU's as well, but would agree with above posts as to depends on where you are riding would determine if you would love/hate a step-in.
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Old 10-12-2011, 10:32 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Dude, you've got Targa's and you are considering Flows? Shake your head!
Unless you like less support, cheaper quality, and catching your dropped highback on the loading gates every run...
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If you want a slightly quicker entry, check out any K2s with the Auto system (ie: ever, drone, uprise, etc). They are sick.
Out of curiosity, what is your experience with Flow bindings? Year? Model(s)?

I find your comment highly suspect because of your "quality" comment. And if you catch your highbacks on loading gates, then that's your fault. Flip your damn highbacks up when you are skating around.

Flows are some of the highest quality bindings. The malfunction problems arise from the number of moving parts. Any binding with that many moving parts have a higher chance of failure. With that said, in my experience, most of the failures that I have seen are due to user negligence. That's actually the same exact case with traditional binding users. Always, always check your hardware before your sessions. Hell, give them a brief inspection every now and then when you strap out. I do that to this day even with my traditional bindings. Screws loosen up over time, it's just a part of the grind. I always have a pocket tool on hand for this reason.

Also, the sheer volume of Flow bindings out there causes it to look like everyone and their mommas have a failure with Flows. You'll have the same experience with Burton horror stories. It's all about ratio.

I don't really recommend Flows for the speed entry. The reason I love using them around small hills is not because I'll squeeze a few more runs in (I can squeeze in a few extra runs if that's my focus), but because I do not have to bend down half as much. This is especially nice since I'm getting old haha. I was at the point of being able to strap in as I skate off the lift.

Another reason I loved Flows were for the comfort. The strap design of the Flows distribute the pressure evenly across the top of your foot. This really reduces the fatigue. Also, this design gives you more edge to edge response. Lateral flex isn't as good as traditional bindings though, but they do have rocker baseplates to help.

The reason I no longer use Flows (for now) is because of the lack of canting. My left knee bothers me now and canting really helps relieve this issue when riding. Also, current cap strap designs have gotten much better so traditional bindings are pretty comfortable in terms of foot pressure.

Sorry for the essay, but tend to go on rants when people jump on gear advice threads trashing an entire brand line without giving valid reasons as to why.

By the way, Flows take a lot of time to adjust and some time to get used to. If you are transitioning to Flows from traditional bindings, you just might find it to feel like crap at first. They definitely have a different feel and response to them. If you can demo them, give it more than just a couple of runs and really try to dial in the fit. Remember, you don't have to crank the cap down so tight with Flows.
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Not sure what model I had (definitely wouldn't be a low-end one) 2009 year though.
I say that about their quality based on my experince, and also everyone I know who ever used Flow bindings said the same things. Not to mention quite a bit less support on the heel edge compared to traditional highbacks.
It would be pretty annoying to flip your highbacks up every time you need to skate or enter the lift gates... and unless you skate like a skateboarder then you're catching your foot on the highback easier. <- That's just personal preference though.
Then you look at the Rome Targa, which I have had good experiences with and the general consensus from everyone else is also the same.
I guess there must be way more people where you ride with Flows, because here they are pretty rare (guessing less than 1 in 300 boarders).
Don't worry, I check my bindings maticulously before every time I ride when I wax. I'm not some punter here.
You are definitely right about Flow's being comfortable though. I wouldn't mind taking a big Flow strap and putting in onto a regular pair of bindings for a try... but like you said traditional straps/caps have evolved to the point that they are comfortable too.
Maybe if I bought Flow's 2012 top-end binding it would be better... but why take the chance on it when they have a poor track history and I have something great already?

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Old 10-13-2011, 02:58 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Not trying to convert you at all. Just asking you to justify your comments because you are driving them away from Flows.

You don't have to go high end anymore with their bindings. I find even their low-ends to be decent starting from '10. Still, I would recommend M series and up.

Also, flipping the highback up is not even the least bit annoying. When you unlock and release your foot, just give them a kick up. If you have your cable tension set really tight, then yea, the highbacks won't stay up without locking in.

I consider edge to edge response on Flows to be superb.

But yea, glad you like the Targas. I'm picking up the '12 models to compliment my Bosses.
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