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...your boot will not get all the way in.It will be resting on the highback. That is correct. From this position, pull up on the high back, and stand down on your heel. The boot will "shoehorn" into place....
As i said they were older flows ones. but this still sounds like a bit of wear will be put on to the boots. forcing boots into straps that should tightened down.
IDK thats my view of it....

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As i said they were older flows ones. but this still sounds like a bit of wear will be put on to the boots. forcing boots into straps that should tightened down.
IDK thats my view of it....
If you buy a good boot the wear is similar to the wear from the strap friction of ratcheting a conventional binding. The final slide in is only a few cm, but it makes a world of difference in support. As your boots break in you will need to snug the bindings down again once or twice. I have seen some boots get really beaten up by poor sizing. If the binding is too small and the plastic ladder straps are at their ends, then the slide in, which should be contacting only the base and mono strap can contact the hard platic ladder straps. As with all bindings, sizing is important.


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Flow's make great binders and the newest I've demo's is a 2009 model(NXT?) but I just never felt as "locked in" as I did with traditional 2 strap bindings. Once I got my Cinches last year uber cheap(120$) on clearance I'll probably never go back to anything else(until I build a split board), I feel as locked in or more so than any bindings I've ever ridden. Yes they are slightly heavier and yes they have more moving parts but I have like 60 hard days on them without issue and have no interest in going back to anything else.

Just for a point of reference I'm one of these guys that likes their bindings so tight I normally go through multiple ratchets and ladders a season but now with the cinches I don't ever have to worry about those "wear" issue. I used to ride K2 AutoEvers which I liked but I kept breaking the steel cables from over tightening so now their backups. :-(
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I have been thrilled to see the discriptions on the flow 5 bindings but have also read both good and bad reviews on them as well.

however i have read they are good all-mountain bindings and are unfortunately bad in pow and major mountain riding aka cliffs and deep pow?

K2 has the cinch and i have been tempted to go with the standard dual strap systems. but want an expert opinion before commiting to them. i just cant trust product distributors(3rd party) product reviews.
Love my CTXs, in deep pow you can use them as a regular binding.

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Cinches suck ass!
Please elaborate I've had zero issues nor has the other 2 riders I know and were in and out of our binders as fast or faster than others in our crew with flows.
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Flow every single year improves their bindings. Sometimes they improve drastically. Comparing a pair of 2005 Flows to a 2010 and above is like comparing two totally different bindings from different companies with the only similarity being the look.

Sorry for the dissertation. As a long time Flow user, I have a lot to say about their bindings
I really enjoyed the entire quote leo!!! i have had you post on multiple of my threads and you have been an extreme help. i was looking at the 5's on sale and was like wow thats awesome.

but i appreciate it alot. like i have said in multiple threads i look to grow into an advanced rider and the way you described the flow nxt/at's made alot more sense. thanks a bunch

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I've ridden flow and cinch. They were both alright but I really like regular ankle tow straps much more. The flows were 2010 models, their all mountain binding NXT-AT. Here's a few things noticed. They aren't fun to set up, you cant swap boards with your bro's easily, if this is something you like to do stay away. Once they are setup they work well, and actually did cut time off getting strapped in after getting off the lift. Riding them, once finally dialed in, they felt good. Pretty solid. Their weight, they weigh more than my 2009 model ride delta mvmnt bindings by a noticeable amount. And the biggest pet peeve for me with those bindings were in the powder. They are SO hard to get into and actually take 3 times longer than regular bindings in powder. So if you hike a lot of terrain, or ride tons of pow i wouldn't recommend them. BUT for if you are riding groomers, and never swapping gear, they are great- and faster than standard bindings.

The cinch i only rode once, one a groomer day so i dont have as much input. But for some reason i wasnt a huge fan of those either, same with GNU's binding system. It might just be me but i trust the tightness that i feel when strapped in with a conventional binding.
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I just don't understand the powder complaint with Flows. That reputation should have died out once the mini ratchets were implemented.

Just release the two outer buckles and strap in like any other traditional binding in powder. Problem solved.


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