Which Flow bindings - need help. - Snowboarding Forum

NorskRider · 10-14-2011, 03:04 PM

I have been trawling this site, and probably read every thread from the past two years on Flow. Anyway a few years ago I used some Flows and really liked them, but have ended up using Burton customs for the last couple of years.
My riding is fairly freeride/all mountain. Powder whenever possible, and generally try and avoid groomed slopes 90% of the time. I do not spend much time in the park. I will be using these on a Nitro Team Gullwing. I think my choice is really between the M9, M11 or NXT-AT. I am now totally confused by the technology terms and pros and cons of each. Any advice welcomed. Thanks. I can see the slight difference in stiffness and moulded or aluminium base plate, but this all just adds to my confusion.

Starter · 10-15-2011, 09:38 PM

If I were you I would go with the m11 cheaper than the nxt. I believe the nxt would be too stiff for your board but the m11 is just a little softer so I believe it would be perfect i have however never ridden the m11 or nxt so my opinion probably doesn't hold much weight.

Nivek · 10-15-2011, 10:43 PM

If you're not hitting the park at all and use this in the trees shoot for the NXT's. They won't overpower your deck and this way you'll have all the response you need to whip around in the forest.

NorskRider · 10-16-2011, 08:21 AM

Thanks for the replies. Is there really much of a difference between the aluminum and moulded base plate in the real world except for strength. I should add as well that I will probably use these on a Nitro Slash as well as the Team GW. I will then use the Burtons for any freestyle/occasional runs in the park.

Nivek · 10-16-2011, 11:58 AM

Yeah, and stronger is a relative term really. When the polycarb/fiberglass blend is done right in the right shapes its just as strong as aluminum. What you're getting in this case is response. The aluminum chassi on the NXT's is stiffer.

NorskRider · 10-16-2011, 12:03 PM

Perfect. That explains it for me. I guess that is the reason for the 4.5 stiffness on the NXT versus the 4 on the M11. Now I know really it is just down to stiffness, I think I am maybe leaning to the m11, as it still allows a little flex for those freestyle moments on the way through the park at the end of the run off the mountain, but should be plenty stiff enough for the trees and powder.

Nivek · 10-16-2011, 12:09 PM

You will actually get more lateral play to your tips out of the NXT though. The M11's have the assym strap and the NXT's have the I-Flex. I-flex allows for a little more lateral give into your tips.

NorskRider · 10-16-2011, 12:41 PM

Ouch - just when I thought I was getting it! What exactly does that mean and what is the effect in practical terms?

Wiredsport · 10-16-2011, 02:45 PM

Hi,

I would highly suggest the AT. Dual degressive boards have a shortened (and deeper) core effective edge. That means that the edge is there for you but is a little harder to get at (and there is slightly less of it). A very stiff base-plate helps you get at this immediately and aluminum is definately that.

As a side note, base material strength is almost a non issue these days. I can't remember the last warranty we took for a damaged binding base (from any brand).

I hope that is helpful.

NorskRider · 10-18-2011, 01:18 PM

Thanks all for your help. I put in the order today and went for the NXT. Still a little confused about the tech, but it seems like the general consensus is that the NXT is the better binding, and I think the AT will suit my needs just fine. Now the wait for the snow. It is on its way, and already starting to cover the mountains. Cant wait.

10-14-2011, 03:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
NorskRider Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13	Which Flow bindings - need help. I have been trawling this site, and probably read every thread from the past two years on Flow. Anyway a few years ago I used some Flows and really liked them, but have ended up using Burton customs for the last couple of years. My riding is fairly freeride/all mountain. Powder whenever possible, and generally try and avoid groomed slopes 90% of the time. I do not spend much time in the park. I will be using these on a Nitro Team Gullwing. I think my choice is really between the M9, M11 or NXT-AT. I am now totally confused by the technology terms and pros and cons of each. Any advice welcomed. Thanks. I can see the slight difference in stiffness and moulded or aluminium base plate, but this all just adds to my confusion.

10-15-2011, 10:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nivek Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mountains of Mordor Posts: 5,373	If you're not hitting the park at all and use this in the trees shoot for the NXT's. They won't overpower your deck and this way you'll have all the response you need to whip around in the forest. __________________ Snowboarding Sucks.

10-16-2011, 11:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
Nivek Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mountains of Mordor Posts: 5,373	Yeah, and stronger is a relative term really. When the polycarb/fiberglass blend is done right in the right shapes its just as strong as aluminum. What you're getting in this case is response. The aluminum chassi on the NXT's is stiffer. __________________ Snowboarding Sucks.

10-16-2011, 12:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Nivek Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mountains of Mordor Posts: 5,373	You will actually get more lateral play to your tips out of the NXT though. The M11's have the assym strap and the NXT's have the I-Flex. I-flex allows for a little more lateral give into your tips. __________________ Snowboarding Sucks.

10-16-2011, 02:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
Wiredsport -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,784	Hi, I would highly suggest the AT. Dual degressive boards have a shortened (and deeper) core effective edge. That means that the edge is there for you but is a little harder to get at (and there is slightly less of it). A very stiff base-plate helps you get at this immediately and aluminum is definately that. As a side note, base material strength is almost a non issue these days. I can't remember the last warranty we took for a damaged binding base (from any brand). I hope that is helpful. __________________ Gnu \| Rome \| Bataleon \| Flow \| Electric \| Roxy \| Arbor \| Flux \| Dragon \| Neff http://www.wiredsport.com/?snow http://www.wiredsport.com/blog/

10-15-2011, 09:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
Starter Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 77	If I were you I would go with the m11 cheaper than the nxt. I believe the nxt would be too stiff for your board but the m11 is just a little softer so I believe it would be perfect i have however never ridden the m11 or nxt so my opinion probably doesn't hold much weight.

10-16-2011, 08:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
NorskRider Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13	Thanks for the replies. Is there really much of a difference between the aluminum and moulded base plate in the real world except for strength. I should add as well that I will probably use these on a Nitro Slash as well as the Team GW. I will then use the Burtons for any freestyle/occasional runs in the park.

10-16-2011, 12:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
NorskRider Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13	Perfect. That explains it for me. I guess that is the reason for the 4.5 stiffness on the NXT versus the 4 on the M11. Now I know really it is just down to stiffness, I think I am maybe leaning to the m11, as it still allows a little flex for those freestyle moments on the way through the park at the end of the run off the mountain, but should be plenty stiff enough for the trees and powder.

10-16-2011, 12:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
NorskRider Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13	Ouch - just when I thought I was getting it! What exactly does that mean and what is the effect in practical terms?

10-18-2011, 01:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
NorskRider Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13	Thanks all for your help. I put in the order today and went for the NXT. Still a little confused about the tech, but it seems like the general consensus is that the NXT is the better binding, and I think the AT will suit my needs just fine. Now the wait for the snow. It is on its way, and already starting to cover the mountains. Cant wait.

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