Multiple burton cartels, whats the difference? - Snowboarding Forum

pcolaheadbussa · 11-05-2011, 07:39 PM

I think i have decided on the burton cartels to put on my first board, 2011 k2 raygun 153cm. Now if someone could just help me figure out the difference between all the different models the cartel comes in!?

pcolaheadbussa · 11-05-2011, 07:47 PM

ok i am already second guessing the bindings.. I really dont know all the terminology and how it affects the ride of the board. I here the cartel is rated around a 7 on flex, but what exactly is the flex going to change with the feel of the board? This will be my first board ( just moved west from florida) and i am looking for a middle of the road feel. I want to be able to turn and carve hard, hit some jumps, and slowly work my way into the park as well. any recommendations is appreciated. thanks

david_z · 11-05-2011, 07:49 PM

On your raygun you cannot use the EST Cartels, so that eliminates the Cartel EST and the Cartel EST Restricted.

Your choice is between the Cartel re-flex and Cartel re-flex restricted. Same binding but the restricted has some different straps.

david_z · 11-05-2011, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pcolaheadbussa

ok i am already second guessing the bindings.. I really dont know all the terminology and how it affects the ride of the board. I here the cartel is rated around a 7 on flex, but what exactly is the flex going to change with the feel of the board? This will be my first board ( just moved west from florida) and i am looking for a middle of the road feel. I want to be able to turn and carve hard, hit some jumps, and slowly work my way into the park as well. any recommendations is appreciated. thanks

You will not have any problem being able to turn & carve hard with the Cartels. Solid binding and very responsive. If you go softer you will lose some of that responsiveness.

FWIW a lot of people use the Cartel for freestyle/park riding, they are a pretty versatile binding.

Note that the "7" rating is among Burtons line only. I owned a pair of 2009 cartels and had ridden the 2012 cartels, too. They are not overly stiff especially for someone who wants to ride a little bit of everything.

pcolaheadbussa · 11-05-2011, 07:57 PM

thanks for the quick response man...Whats the difference then between the cartel est and the reflex? Just different mounting system?

david_z · 11-05-2011, 08:05 PM

yeah should just be the mounting system. the EST is only compatible with Burton's channel system.

L3mnhead · 11-05-2011, 08:06 PM

Yes. The Cartel ESTs are for Burton boards with the Channel. The Re:flex can be used either with the Channel or the any traditional 4 hole mounting system, like the one on the Raygun. Go with the Cartel Restricted Re:flex if you can. The asymmetrical heel straps are really comfy.

pcolaheadbussa · 11-05-2011, 08:07 PM

thanks alot man!

Mr. Polonia · 11-05-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pcolaheadbussa

ok i am already second guessing the bindings.. I really dont know all the terminology and how it affects the ride of the board. I here the cartel is rated around a 7 on flex, but what exactly is the flex going to change with the feel of the board? This will be my first board ( just moved west from florida) and i am looking for a middle of the road feel. I want to be able to turn and carve hard, hit some jumps, and slowly work my way into the park as well. any recommendations is appreciated. thanks

i have last yrs cartels and they are a great binding. the thing with bindings is that u dont want a too soft of a binding on a stiff board because ur bindings will flex before your board does...and vice versa. u want to match your bindings with the type of board ull be riding. hard flex for stiff board, soft flex for park board.

the cartels are in between, pretty much suited for an all mountain freestyle type board with a flex rating of i would say 5-7

pcolaheadbussa · 11-06-2011, 06:06 PM

that sounds good then becuase i believe the raygun is a medium flex board...unless i am wrong of course

11-05-2011, 07:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
pcolaheadbussa Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 9	Multiple burton cartels, whats the difference? I think i have decided on the burton cartels to put on my first board, 2011 k2 raygun 153cm. Now if someone could just help me figure out the difference between all the different models the cartel comes in!?

11-05-2011, 07:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
david_z Official SBF Blogger Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 5	On your raygun you cannot use the EST Cartels, so that eliminates the Cartel EST and the Cartel EST Restricted. Your choice is between the Cartel re-flex and Cartel re-flex restricted. Same binding but the restricted has some different straps. __________________ Repping the world's smallest mountains... Mt. Holly - 12 Pine Knob - 9 Alpine Valley - 2 Vail - 4 Breckenridge - 3 Crystal Mountain (MI) - 3 Hawk Island Snow Park - 5 Caberfae Peaks - 1 Boyne Mountain - 1 aGNARchy: no rules, just gnar!

11-05-2011, 08:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
david_z Official SBF Blogger Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 5	yeah should just be the mounting system. the EST is only compatible with Burton's channel system. __________________ Repping the world's smallest mountains... Mt. Holly - 12 Pine Knob - 9 Alpine Valley - 2 Vail - 4 Breckenridge - 3 Crystal Mountain (MI) - 3 Hawk Island Snow Park - 5 Caberfae Peaks - 1 Boyne Mountain - 1 aGNARchy: no rules, just gnar!

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11-05-2011, 07:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
pcolaheadbussa Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 9	ok i am already second guessing the bindings.. I really dont know all the terminology and how it affects the ride of the board. I here the cartel is rated around a 7 on flex, but what exactly is the flex going to change with the feel of the board? This will be my first board ( just moved west from florida) and i am looking for a middle of the road feel. I want to be able to turn and carve hard, hit some jumps, and slowly work my way into the park as well. any recommendations is appreciated. thanks

11-05-2011, 07:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
pcolaheadbussa Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 9	thanks for the quick response man...Whats the difference then between the cartel est and the reflex? Just different mounting system?

11-05-2011, 08:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
L3mnhead Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 84	Yes. The Cartel ESTs are for Burton boards with the Channel. The Re:flex can be used either with the Channel or the any traditional 4 hole mounting system, like the one on the Raygun. Go with the Cartel Restricted Re:flex if you can. The asymmetrical heel straps are really comfy.

11-05-2011, 08:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
pcolaheadbussa Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 9	thanks alot man!

11-06-2011, 06:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
pcolaheadbussa Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 9	that sounds good then becuase i believe the raygun is a medium flex board...unless i am wrong of course