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Old 11-22-2011, 12:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Powder stance - How much setback?

Hi everyone - I'm 6'3, a muscular 245 and have had difficulty in the past with finding a good stance to ride deep pow. I'm an advanced rider but struggle at times with pow (getting stuck, sinking down).

I understand the concept of pumping the front foot to get the board up and can do that reasonably well, however I don't know if I'm hampering my efforts with an inefficient stance.

Tomorrow I'm headed to Mt. Baker with my new 2012 burton custom x 164W and have set the back binding -2 in and the front 1 in back from the reference.

Is there any reason why I shouldn't set back 2 inches on the back foot?

Could anyone recommend a good reference stance that I might be able to work with tomorrow to tweak, esp for a bigger guy like me?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 11-22-2011, 04:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I try to keep my stance width about the same as I normally have it, and just slide everything back as far as possible.

You're a pretty big guy for a 64.....

I used to weight 200 and ride a 63w and dropped down to 180 and still have a 63w for bigger stuff and play around on a 59w

Just slide everything back as far as you can without sacrificing your stance width, and suck it up.
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If its really deep get as far back as the inserts will allow. I also say keep your stance width the same.
Your board is big enough IMO, not the best for powder though, something with rocker would allow you to float more easily and your nose will not dive as much.
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Hey if the temps hold...but looks to be the usual wet and heavy, I'll also be up there on 164 charlie slasher, but I'm at 180# and think its a perfect size for poo days. FWIW, I think you need a bigger poo stick, e.g., 172 range....but on the 164 move everything back as far as possible.
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I'll also be up there on 164 charlie slasher
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You have much time on it? Been hunting more info on the Slasher to see if it's worth buying one new
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I forgot that if you are talking heavy and wet as opposed to real powder you might need more, but either way rocker will float way easier than pos camberIMO.
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You have much time on it? Been hunting more info on the Slasher to see if it's worth buying one new
Got it from wife and kids last xmass , have maybe 6 days on it for 10-14"+...deepest was 26" day and floated like a dream. Rockered nose floats, cam pintail slightly sinks yet has tail to pop off natty hits and land solidly tail heavy (unlike my banana), no back leg burn and the tail is good for groomers and riding switch on groomers. On really deep days you can get a float on in fairly low angled stuff and haven't noticed any issues on steeps and chutes. However, I have very small feet, size 7 so edge to edge has been a bit cumbersome on packed and groomers....but last evening I put on some 20mm homemade plate risers so it should give me a better angles...I'll see what happens in a few hours. Also thinking about splitting it over the summer for some bc touring.

My other pow stick was/is an Option Northshore 162 cambered pintail; that works fine, rides great for groomers and switch but in 10'+ pow you had to get on the tail...the deeper the pow the more on the tail.
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I forgot that if you are talking heavy and wet as opposed to real powder you might need more, but either way rocker will float way easier than pos camberIMO.
Abit off track but I'm not convienced that full rocker is good for pow...due to riding my 159 skate banana in pow tends to fold up abit too much...like the tail and the nose and you just kind of sink unless you keep up a pretty good clip...and once you slow below that speed threshold, you kind of sink instead of plane. I really like the charlie slasher in that it planes better, the tail sinks because of the pintail shape...not because its soft/rockered. And as noted above the cam tail gives you something solid to pop with and land with...where is on the banana you have to land fairly centered and if you land too tail heavy or nose heavy it kind of folds up. Verses with the big shove rocked nose of CS there is enough nose to keep you from going under and a stiff tail to prevent folding up.
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True a banana is not ideal but will give more float than an equally long pos camber IMO. I ride a ride highlife which has a stiff tail and middle that is flat with a rockered nose. Its sweet in the pow. I also have a volkl which is a bit like the custom X of the OP, I love it but with the pos camber the nose has a tendency to dive in pow. You have to work to keep it out of the pow at all times.
In fact I have recently DIY rockered the tip on it so it behaves more like the highlife. Just need snow to test it out.

A pow specific board will always be better. Would love to get one at some point but I have just had a baby boy so my wife is wanting to buy a house and adding to my quiver is not the flavour of the day.

I hear the charlie slasher is great but never seen one here in Japan or a never summer.
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Thanks everyone for the tips/suggestions...I've been itching to buy the Jones Hovercraft after demoing one last season and think that if I don't do well today that I'll be picking one up.

I've never had a pow specific board and from what I gather from you all, with my height/weight I should think about that first and foremost on the deep days.

I see a wind advisory is in effect and that the chairs will likely be on hold for early morning ops but that won't deter us from coming up.

I'll be up there with my buddy, so if you see a big dude with orange pants and a blue jacket + sandbox helmet, say hi and we can get some laps in.

I'll post my thoughts about the stance + the board in the deep stuff when I return today as a follow up.

Thanks a million!!!
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