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When did it become the norm to...?

I just typed and lost a whole long post here and lost it all because it said I timed out while typing it. I've never had that happen anywhere before.

Anywho...

Quick background. I worked at a ski/board ship and rode for boardercross for Rossignol in a few middling midwestern competitions in the 97-01 timeframe. I am not an old codger asking this (I am 30) but I am genuinely interested.

When did it become the norm to ride with a negative stance angle on the back foot?

I never saw that riding just 10 years ago and we were not even allowed to install them in the shop that way.


For reasons that I wrote about in detail in the post that I lost, I am getting into the game again after being away for a while because of injury, college, job, and location, etc. because of, well, fixing the injury, and an upcoming Colorado relocation and family in the area.

I know I am new but I enjoy forums and hope to be around a while! Thanks!




Next question will be about the whole rocker thing. I don't get it - and the only person I got to try to explain it to me in a store probably flunked out of middle school.
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I personally started riding duck stance in '93, when the 3D pattern came out. Makes riding switch a lot easier, but still entirely personal preference.

As for the rocker thing, you'll find lots of informations here: http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boa...g-between.html

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Thanks!

So is it primarily a park/freestyle thing?

I rarely ride switch so I don't think that would benefit me. Physiologically, it might be better on the back knee, depending on how you ride (and how your feet turn naturally). I am trying to think about it scientifically (because I am a dork like that).

Our Ride Snowboards rep, back in the day, had a little demonstration with an aluminum snowboard that showed a significantly reduced toe-side pressure riding that way and actually told us we couldn't install them in the shop that way at risk of causing a warranty issue. Maybe it was BS but whenever someone asked for a negative stance, which was very rare at the time, we had to tell them to install them themselves or, occasionally, set the back foot to zero but still test everything and then tell them to switch it themselves.

I am not at home to check but I am almost certain my old Rossi binding disks don't even have negative numbers.

I might have to try it now. I always carry a collapsable screwdriver with me on the mountain!
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Look at how you stand naturally, most people are duck foot.

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Warranty issue??? I wonder what was they were concerned might happen?

I don't know if it's primarily park or not. I see plenty of duck outside of the park. I started out with a forward stance but have gradually adjusted to 12deg ducked and I think it's much better overall for control. One's back leg gets less tired too.
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Next question will be about the whole rocker thing. I don't get it - and the only person I got to try to explain it to me in a store probably flunked out of middle school.[/QUOTE]
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I can't offer anything on the negative stance.. its beyond me too. However I can offer some insight to the rocker... the rocker has resessed edges(imagine the bottom of a spoon just not as drastic). that just helps prevent edge catch... Hope that helps I can go further into it if your looking for more comprehensive explaination (part time board builder)
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Hi Easton,

Regarding duck stance; I also used to ride a forward stance. However, with the emergence of Rocker (and hybrid), I needed to widen my stance to engage the tip and tail. The only way for me to do this comfortably was to ride duck; this way my heels remained the same distance or a little wider while I engaged the tip and tail using my forefoot. The only problem I have with riding duck; it is harder to alpine carve. This is because my hips are now inline with the board; i.e. it is much easier to shift my weight and lose the balance point. Guess I need to do more ab work to keep my balance.

Why did I move to (hybrid) rocker; simple answer is catch free edges. Another benefit of rocker (and hybrid) float; i.e. I no longer have to load my backfoot to raise the nose of the board.

Finally, I used to have the same problem with timing out, until I used the preview button.

Hope this helps Nito
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Hi, it is mainly a park / freestyle thing... Or more importantly a wannabe park/freestyle thing. Well that and it makes riding awitch a tiny bit easier.

As you mentioned having both feet forward gives you better pressure in your toeside edge.... But people prefer the duck stance as it feels more comfortable and the can pretend they are their favorite pro freestyle rider. Most people now a days don't really care about getting the most efficient turn (which is fine since it is all about having fun)

Look at boardercross riders like Seth westcott and Linda jacobellis (so?) And they still have forward stances. So do the Europeans and the Japanese (well more than us Americans)... Maybe they could be behind the curve... Or maybe...


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Look at how you stand naturally, most people are duck foot.
by that reasoning... We should all be skiing since we naturally move with our hips, chest and head all pointing forward
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Hi Easton,

Regarding duck stance; I also used to ride a forward stance. However, with the emergence of Rocker (and hybrid), I needed to widen my stance to engage the tip and tail. The only way for me to do this comfortably was to ride duck; this way my heels remained the same distance or a little wider while I engaged the tip and tail using my forefoot. The only problem I have with riding duck; it is harder to alpine carve. This is because my hips are now inline with the board; i.e. it is much easier to shift my weight and lose the balance point. Guess I need to do more ab work to keep my balance.

Why did I move to (hybrid) rocker; simple answer is catch free edges. Another benefit of rocker (and hybrid) float; i.e. I no longer have to load my backfoot to raise the nose of the board.

Finally, I used to have the same problem with timing out, until I used the preview button.

Hope this helps Nito

Okay....so is rocker-camber-rocker the same as "hybrid" rocker?

I like the idea about turning up the edges on contact but I like the camber in the middle (I think).

Is there a place that lists boards by shape? (probably not).

Any of the directionals by Venture, NS, or Lib Tech have this shape?

Thanks!
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