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Old 01-07-2012, 09:24 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I have been changing my stance a little bit, I keep a #3 screw driver in my camelbak so I just adjust it when I get to the top of the lift. I was out for 3 hours before it came loose. I cranked down on them as tight as I could the other night and they still came loose only two runs later (it was the last run anyway). I'm a mechanic and am very familiar with any tool so I kind of doubt I didn't get it tight enough. The binding didn't come completely loose, it slipped a few degrees at a time if I hit a mogul or any other sudden impact. It was only the left (inside) screw on my right binding. The screw on the other side held firm which kept the binding from moving front to back so it just twisted on me.

One of the reasons why I got the hero was for the est channel so I can easily adjust it since park riding is somewhat new to me. I've been riding for 9 years but park never appealed to me, I just thought I'd give it a shot this year. The easy adjustability has been great because since I'm new to park I'm trying to find the stance that I like especially for rails. I think I've got it where I want it now so I wont have to mess with the stance but it is kind of irritating that I'm stuck to one stance and I need to tighten the screws down throughout the day. If I take a break from the park and go hit some diamond slopes I don't want to worry about my binding slipping out of place on me, that just seems like a pain in the ass.

It was only the first time this happened so I'll see how it works out this Monday.
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Old 01-07-2012, 06:24 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Not very heroic if it moves every time you have a big impact.

Also probably depends on the riders weight and riding style as to how much stress is on each bolt.
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:29 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I wondered about this possibility when I first saw the Channel EST system. I love the idea of it, but this seems like a high cost if its a common issue, especially considering that its proprietary and incompatible with other options, anyway. Has anyone tried contacting Burton directly, telling them how dissatisfied they are, and asking what they can do about it? Seems like a safety issue as well as performance.
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:34 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Not very heroic if it moves every time you have a big impact.

Also probably depends on the riders weight and riding style as to how much stress is on each bolt.
No kidding. I like the adjustability but I'll probably stick with the more traditional mounting system next time. I have the 155; I only weigh 147lbs and I'm 5'9" so I'd hope it can handle that. I wasn't being very aggressive for the day either. I was helping my fiancee learn how to snowboard so I spent most of my time on the easy slopes. I only made a few runs down intermediate slopes and no time in the park at all. I did practice some buttery tricks and riding switch but that's about it.

When I have a problem like this I usually dwell on it for a while . It just bothers me how they held just fine for the first 5 rides for the season when I was actually practicing in the park but they decided to give out on a relaxed day of boarding. I'm wondering if the hardware is sort of worn out from all of the adjusting I've been doing. The plastic washer that molds into the saw tooth surface in the binding to keeps it from slipping seems sort of shaved down. Burton sends you the M6 hardware for free so its not a big deal cost wise...
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:46 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I wondered about this possibility when I first saw the Channel EST system. I love the idea of it, but this seems like a high cost if its a common issue, especially considering that its proprietary and incompatible with other options, anyway. Has anyone tried contacting Burton directly, telling them how dissatisfied they are, and asking what they can do about it? Seems like a safety issue as well as performance.
Well I did some research and it doesn't seem to be that common of an issue so I guess I'm just doing something wrong. My binding only slipped a little at a time, by the time I got down the slope it moved from 13 degrees toe out to 5 degrees in. It slipped easier and easier with each one so if your on a long slope with no screw driver it could be a safety issue. I probably will call Burton about it if this happens again Monday. I do like Burton's boards and I love their boots but their bindings do seem a little lack luster compared to some of the other ones out there.

The est channel has been out for quite a few years so I guess if it was a common problem they would have done more to fix it by now.
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:54 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Call and get new hardware.Sometimes the washers suck real bad....normally on the OLDER channel, and the older hardware.

No one asked the most important question....what year is your board?

Thanks for redeeming yourself in the last post because your orginal post with the 2 sided tape thing sounded strange. 9 years of riding experience, I trust your judgement.
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Old 01-08-2012, 12:29 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I'm also quite interested to know what Burton says...
I love the EST System idea but have been concerned from the beginning when I saw that only 2 screws were holding my size 13 boot.
Since I only ride once a year for about 5 days, I am curious and worried about the durability of the system.
Anybody got feedback from Burton?
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Call and get new hardware.Sometimes the washers suck real bad....normally on the OLDER channel, and the older hardware.

No one asked the most important question....what year is your board?

Thanks for redeeming yourself in the last post because your orginal post with the 2 sided tape thing sounded strange. 9 years of riding experience, I trust your judgement.
Haha well I was thinking drastic measures at that point using the tape. It just frustrated the crap out of me that the binding kept moving so I was thinking of anything at all that would keep them from moving. Its a 2011 with 2011 bindings. Everything was brand new when I bought it.
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:04 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Well my binding didn't hold again. Its started slipping easier this time but I think it was caused entirely by all of the adjusting I was doing trying to get the angle of my back foot comfortable for me. I think the first few slips just finished off the plastic washer that keeps the binding from slipping. The plastic washer sinks into the saw toothed edge on the binding which normally holds it in place perfectly but the washer on the side that kept slipping is shredded from the adjusting and slipping that its been put through. I don't understand why they didn't just make the washer match the saw tooth edge in the binding. That way the washer would fully interlock into the binding and would be impossible to slip unless the nut is actually loose.

The picture shows the one on the left that didn't slip at all compared to the one on the right which is the nut that kept slipping on me. I can't be sure this is why it keeps slipping but it seems to make sense. My bindings held great until I kept adjusting the back binding. The only way to find out is to get new M6 hardware and see what happens.
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This season I got a Burton Hero with the EST channel and mission bindings to go with it. I figured there might be a problem with the binding sliding around while riding because of the way they mount with only 2 screws but after the first 5 rides this season they held firm and didn't budge.... until now. So I just wanted to see if this was a common issue with the est channel and what other people did to fix it. So if you've had this problem with the est binding setup with Burton and found a way to fix it I'd love to hear what you did.

I like the full adjustablility of the est channel but I can't have them sliding around while I'm trying to ride. I was thinking about using some 2-sided tape to stick them down and keep them from slipping but that makes it difficult to adjust on top of the mountain if I need to.
I owned a Burton Hero EST last year and I had the EXACT same problem (back foot and everything) I would just tighten it whenever it started to slide which would be once every few days. It did not have the problem when I first got it but it got really bad after like 3 or 4 weeks.
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