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Old 02-09-2012, 03:53 PM   #91 (permalink)
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No, many companies tweak their products before production. That's one of the main reasons why they do these demos.
Any examples of this?

Most production is happening right now from what I know.
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:53 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Hi Leo,

What boot sizes do you guys have? Not in any way questioning your experience with these, but it is just the exact opposite of what we were hearing/feeling up there. Tons of raves on the hill for the new Hybrid/Nasty setup. I guess feets will aways be feets though.
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No one listens to complaints at Demo time. Of course you are hyping your product for your shop.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:56 PM   #94 (permalink)
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What boot sizes do you guys have? Not in any way questioning your experience with these, but it is just the exact opposite of what we were hearing/feeling up there. Tons of raves on the hill for the new Hybrid/Nasty setup. I guess feets will aways be feets though.
Care to share some detailed reports?
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Old 02-09-2012, 06:03 PM   #95 (permalink)
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Always been a fan of flow, it might be time to go back to them
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No one listens to complaints at Demo time. Of course you are hyping your product for your shop.
I didn't come home with NXT2's cause they aren't dialed and are changing for production.

Half the products a company shows you at SIA aren't finalized and they plan on doing some tweak or another before full production.

I didn't get my Hylites or M9se's this year till September cause they switched things up a bit from the SIA demo last year.
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Old 02-10-2012, 06:23 AM   #97 (permalink)
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Any examples of this?

Most production is happening right now from what I know.
Never Summer has done this numerous times with their graphics. Union has tweaked their toe straps last year after demo days. Flow confirmed that at the very least, they are reducing the width of the heelcup in the NX2 line. They said that these demo pairs were made a bit too wide.

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What boot sizes do you guys have? Not in any way questioning your experience with these, but it is just the exact opposite of what we were hearing/feeling up there. Tons of raves on the hill for the new Hybrid/Nasty setup. I guess feets will aways be feets though.
Dave has size 11 TM2 boots and I had size 10 Burton TWC boots. Don't get me wrong, once strapped in, the bindings worked very well. It's just that we both experienced the same pressure points. However, Dave and I fully acknowledged that this problem might be possibly eliminated if we had the time to personally adjust them fully.

Even the reps, they weren't just tent guys, told us they had the same issue with the toe caps. You have to fiddle with them when you step in because the webbing on the top folds under itself as you slide your boot in. Our midwest rep asked for my honest feedback and I told him that I think that toe cap needs the hard piece over the top of the webbing like the one below it. Although it would 100% look like a Ride ThinGrip with that fix. He completely agreed with me and said that is exactly what he was thinking.

The highback lock issue is something you have to get used to. The technique to unlock it is completely different from their usual clip in locks. I never had to bend my boot forward to unlock my '10 FSE like that.

I just think this new design needs a little more time. The rep brought up the point that this was a drastic change. Flow didn't just make minor changes, they were drastic changes and they expected some kinks. Since Flow is already making a change to the heelcup for production, hopefully they make other minor tweaks especially to the toe cap.
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Great info Leo. Of our guys who got to try them there was foot size 8, 10 and 12. The Size 8 said he needed to spend a good amount of time at first adjusting. It took him a run of tweaking to position the strap adjustments well so that they were comfy, after that it worked as expected. The two larger boots had no issues (which is why I asked about your boot sizes). Once dialed in all were majorly impressed. I had to bail on going to WP so I can't add anything first hand (bummed).

As for the Toe Cap, go to :45 in the vid below. I do see a quick hand adjsutment at entry sometimes to get perfect alignment on the boot and I imagine this will become more/less of a factor on different boots. As with all bindings, havind the time to perfect positions, etc is a huge factor. We already heard here on the forum that Flow will be making at least one adjustment from the working proto to the production ready binding so possibly others are in the works.

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Quick question for anyone who demo'd these...

Did you just try the hybrid cap strap or did you try the traditional fusion strap too???

Seems like the fusion might be the way to go if they don't tweak the cap enough before production...
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Quick question for anyone who demo'd these...

Did you just try the hybrid cap strap or did you try the traditional fusion strap too???

Seems like the fusion might be the way to go if they don't tweak the cap enough before production...
I wanted to, but figured I would gain nothing from it (meaning I wanted to demo other bindings I haven't tried). I have been riding Flows for about 5 seasons. I even told the reps, at this point, I prefer their power cap design.

I would not get pressure points with the power caps as that design inherently prevents stuff like toe pinches which is what I experienced with the new strap. The power cap on the NX2 line lifts high up just like the rest. Looks very good. I only handled it.
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