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post #221 of 569 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 04:56 PM
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The DMCC Light is 1 lb 15 oz in Large with disk and hardware. To my knowledge that it the lightest binding on the market.
Hmm... so you are saying the Flux DMCC light is 5 ounces lighter than a Flow bindings (1 lbs 15 oz vs 2 lbs ~4 oz). or about 141 grams. That's a noticeable difference, but not a huge difference.

To give things some perspective, that is weigh difference equivalent to

or 25 quarters (5.67 grams per quarter)
or 3 shot glasses of water (~42 mL)
or 1 snowball's worth of snow stuck on your board (~130 grams)

Once I rode a pair of first generation Catek Freerides. Which weight about 4 lbs. Needless to say, I found those to be a bit stiff and heavy... here is a really old video of me riding them on a rainbox rail and doing a backslide boardslide on a mailbox (if you really really look carefully at the end). I'm pretty sure I'm ugly style is much more due to the fact that I was (and still am) a somewhat mediocre freestyle and less so because my bindings were "2 lbs too heavy"


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Hmm... so you are saying the Flux DMCC light is 5 ounces heavier than a Flow bindings (1 lbs 15 oz vs 2 lbs ~4 oz). or about 141 grams. That's a noticeable difference, but not a huge difference.

To give things some perspective, that is weigh difference equivalent to

or 25 quarters (5.67 grams per quarter)
or 3 shot glasses of water (~42 mL)
or 1 snowball's worth of snow stuck on your board (~130 grams)
I think it's the other way around. Flux is lighter then Flow.
And try a 540 with a snowball stuck on the tip of the board. Maybe you experience a crash to the ground. Or why not put marble as top cover of your board

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I think it's the other way around. Flux is lighter then Flow.
And try a 540 with a snowball stuck on the tip of the board. Maybe you experience a crash to the ground. Or why not put marble as top cover of your board
Sorry, you are right... I flipped them (I did mean the DMCC lights are lighter). Fixing the post now.

It's at the binding, not the tip of your board. I've done 540s and I've totally had a bunch of snow frozen jammed under my boot before (frozen Sierra cement) that I was too lazy to chip out. Admittedly my 540s are very ugly and sometimes I "crash to the ground" in perfect conditions. Have you noticed swing weigh issues when you do your 540s?

I find that how clean my takeoff is way more important than what board/binding setup I'm riding with - either I got a good stable platform and I popped off the lip and started my spin at the correct time (just as I leave the lip)... or I get anxious and pre-carve and/or pre-rotate, come off funky/jerky and then I have to ballerina whip the last bit of the rotation around.

Once I rode a pair of first generation Catek Freerides. Which weight about 4 lbs. Needless to say, I found those to be a bit stiff and heavy... here is a really old video of me riding them on a rainbox rail and doing a boardslide (if you really really look carefully at the end).


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Sorry, you are right... I flipped them (I did mean the DMCC lights are lighter). Fixing the post now.

It's at the binding, not the tip of your board. I've done 540s and I've totally had a bunch of snow frozen jammed under my boot before (frozen Sierra cement) that I was too lazy to chip out. Admittedly my 540s are very ugly and sometimes I "crash to the ground" in perfect conditions. Have you noticed swing weigh issues when you do your 540s?

I find that how clean my takeoff is way more important than what board/binding setup I'm riding with - either I got a good stable platform and I popped off the lip and started my spin at the correct time (just as I leave the lip)... or I get anxious and pre-carve and/or pre-rotate, come off funky/jerky and then I have to ballerina whip the last bit of the rotation around.

Once I rode a pair of first generation Catek Freerides. Which weight about 4 lbs. Needless to say, I found those to be a bit stiff and heavy... here is a really old video of me riding them on a rainbox rail and doing a boardslide (if you really really look carefully at the end).

Perhaps my technique is not good enough, but I preffer lighter setup. It feels easier to pop and spin of everything at anytime. More playful with no cement on the feet and heavy armor on the board.

Nice vintage video btw.

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Perhaps my technique is not good enough, but I preffer lighter setup. It feels easier to pop and spin of everything at anytime. More playful with no cement on the feet and heavy armor on the board.

Nice vintage video btw.
oh I like lighter setups too... it was only after I realized that flow were about as light as a regular binding am I seriously considering them (in my head thy are still the clunky thing I saw in the 90s). At the same time I have to be honest with myself and realize that it is mostly psychological since I am sadly not worlds better on my much lighter Rome 390s than I was with those super heavy catek free rides (aka I wish a lighter setup made me do any trick noticeably better).

That's not to say just because it is mostly psychological it isn't significant. When doing spins I had this issue where I would worry about completing my spin on a smaller jump (20ft vs 35ft) and I would try to over-muscle the rotation and pre-rotate on the ramp (how I imagine a baseball pitcher sometimes tries to hard to throw a fastball). The net effect would be I would bleed off my speed on the lip, and not get a smooth pop for my rotation (leading to under rotation). However, when I felt relaxed (I was really comfortable with the jump and felt I had the speed and how I had to throw the spin dialed in) rotation felt really easier and floaty (regardless of the gear setup I had).

Do that make sense?

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Yes to this. Size Medium is the best choice for your boots. You are correct that NX2 (as a whole) is Flow's top of the line. The AT stands for All Terrain. Of the NX2's the AT's are the least expensive.
Do all the NX2 models come with canted footbed (or options for both flat and canted)?
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Do all the NX2 models come with canted footbed (or options for both flat and canted)?
Does canted footbed have an big impact on riding, wider stance, less fatige?
I haven't tried so I have no clue.

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Does canted footbed have an big impact on riding, wider stance, less fatige?
I haven't tried so I have no clue.
All NX2 models have a footbed which is canted at 2.5 degrees. It is not adjustable to flat or other degrees. Cant does relieve strain and allows better transfer especially with current wider, duck stances.
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All NX2 models have a footbed which is canted at 2.5 degrees. It is not adjustable to flat or other degrees. Cant does relieve strain and allows better transfer especially with current wider, duck stances.
I hope you shoot a review video for gt & se
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Finally my NX2-GT arrived in size Medium



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