Flow Binding 2013 Q & A - Page 28 - Snowboarding Forum

Wiredsport · 12-07-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AIRider

I did today. I brought my boot, and it fits similar to my old binding. Some overhang. They didn't have the GT or RS but did have the AT. So now I'm not sure if I will go with the GT's S shape strap, or RS's conventional over the top one.

what do you suggest. I recon the RS is even stiffer than the GT, and will probably cover better my larger boot, that the toe strap of the GT which might have difficulty reaching around.

That is a question we are getting a lot now. The toe strap has no problem reaching any size 14 boots that we have tried it with (XL bindings of course). Size 14 has the binding maxed out or very close. Size 13 has over a cm of strap (at least) on all models we have tried.

As for a preference between the two there is no one answer that will work for all riders. Having that pull-back from the toe strap is awesome but it changes the feel of any binding, these included. It is preference whether that is going to be a good thing or not for you.

AIRider · 12-07-2012, 01:54 PM

I pulled the trigger and ordered the GTs.

I embrace new tech, and feel this will be a the same feeling as when I switched from Windows to Mac, haha.

Stoked.

Thank you for your help.

fuzebox · 12-09-2012, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedRomo

I noticed the exact same issues when I was fitting the bindings to my boot.

Same issue as well. Ridden two days on them now, still haven't found the right settings to where I can slip in and out as easily as I could on my 4-5 year old Flows.

RedRomo · 12-10-2012, 11:49 AM

I talked to the shop rep this weekend and he's been hearing the same complaints from people who've bought them and rode them. Biggest complaint is that people struggle to enter the binding, and then have to adjust the toe cap.

I think they're getting close to an awesome binding, but the angle and size of the toe cap is a miss on this design. It's too small and the angle puts the cap too low on the boot. I just bought last year's M9.

Wiredsport · 12-10-2012, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedRomo

I talked to the shop rep this weekend and he's been hearing the same complaints from people who've bought them and rode them. Biggest complaint is that people struggle to enter the binding, and then have to adjust the toe cap.

I think they're getting close to an awesome binding, but the angle and size of the toe cap is a miss on this design. It's too small and the angle puts the cap too low on the boot. I just bought last year's M9.

We are finding that this is highly boot dependent. Some makes and models will set your toe in the perfect spot. Others (that have more uplift at the toe-sole rocker) can set the toe higher that the lower lip of the cap which then requires a reach-down and lift.

Wiredsport · 12-10-2012, 12:08 PM

One additional thing that can make a big difference is boot size in relation to binding size. The toe cap strap is set at an upward angle so that as you move the strap towards the inside of the range on the ladder straps, the toe cap not only moves in but it also becomes lower.

RedRomo · 12-10-2012, 01:53 PM

I used my ride flight boots size 11, on a Flow Large binding. They're a rather small boot footprint but the toe cap was just too small and would sit on the bottom of my boot. I had to adjust the top cap after locking..defeating the purpose of the rear entry. I did try using several different boots in the store and all had the same issue. I moved a size up in bindings (XL) and that did help but the width of the binding left way too much space between the boot and the binding sides.

They're really close IMO but the toe cap is going to be a big issue for them. If it was more like the GNU bindings it would work.

john doe · 12-15-2012, 09:25 PM

I made a quick video of getting in and out of my NX2-SE's. Having these bindings I see the biggest flaw of the toe strap design. The ladder strap needs to have a stop on it so it can't pivot down. If you had a way of locking that side into position the strap would sit in a lot more consistent position. Since I have Flow boots it is working pretty well for me. If I get bored I may try messing with the ladder strap screw to make it clamp more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUo59GxW_Vo

Trox · 12-16-2012, 06:00 PM

having the same issues with my SE's half the toe strap sits below the footbed. looked in to switching the left and right toe strap like the set up video shows so it will go over the toe instead of under but they designed it so it wouldn't come off with out modification

I think the best fix would be to use the traditional I strap and the V ladder on both sides to hold the toe strap in place, but that would be overkill.

sxdaca · 12-16-2012, 08:35 PM

i noticed the same thing that most of you are saying. that's why i ended up with my m9 and they work just perfect.
the toe strap design doesn't work well if your boots are elevated in the toe zone like "rockered".

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john doe Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,245	I made a quick video of getting in and out of my NX2-SE's. Having these bindings I see the biggest flaw of the toe strap design. The ladder strap needs to have a stop on it so it can't pivot down. If you had a way of locking that side into position the strap would sit in a lot more consistent position. Since I have Flow boots it is working pretty well for me. If I get bored I may try messing with the ladder strap screw to make it clamp more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUo59GxW_Vo __________________ 2011 Smokin Buck Ferton 155 2013 Flow NX2-SE 2013 Flow Hylite boa Burton Stagger pants/jacket Smith I/O

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12-10-2012, 11:49 AM	#274 (permalink)
RedRomo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 78	I talked to the shop rep this weekend and he's been hearing the same complaints from people who've bought them and rode them. Biggest complaint is that people struggle to enter the binding, and then have to adjust the toe cap. I think they're getting close to an awesome binding, but the angle and size of the toe cap is a miss on this design. It's too small and the angle puts the cap too low on the boot. I just bought last year's M9.

12-10-2012, 01:53 PM	#277 (permalink)
RedRomo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 78	I used my ride flight boots size 11, on a Flow Large binding. They're a rather small boot footprint but the toe cap was just too small and would sit on the bottom of my boot. I had to adjust the top cap after locking..defeating the purpose of the rear entry. I did try using several different boots in the store and all had the same issue. I moved a size up in bindings (XL) and that did help but the width of the binding left way too much space between the boot and the binding sides. They're really close IMO but the toe cap is going to be a big issue for them. If it was more like the GNU bindings it would work.

12-16-2012, 06:00 PM	#279 (permalink)
Trox Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Alaska Posts: 23	having the same issues with my SE's half the toe strap sits below the footbed. looked in to switching the left and right toe strap like the set up video shows so it will go over the toe instead of under but they designed it so it wouldn't come off with out modification I think the best fix would be to use the traditional I strap and the V ladder on both sides to hold the toe strap in place, but that would be overkill.

12-16-2012, 08:35 PM	#280 (permalink)
sxdaca Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 131	i noticed the same thing that most of you are saying. that's why i ended up with my m9 and they work just perfect. the toe strap design doesn't work well if your boots are elevated in the toe zone like "rockered".