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Old 01-13-2012, 01:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I own two pairs of Reflex bindings, the Cartels and Malavitas, and have them placed on a park board and all mountain board. On both bindings, I can pull up from the heel hoop and there'll be a heelside gap of a few centimetres that increases with force between the binding and board. I take this to mean that there's a loss of responsiveness in toe side turns, which wouldn't happen heelside because you still have that hiback pressuring your heel side.

I bought into reflex tech mainly for the weight savings, extra padding and the autocant and have always been a big fan burton asym straps and ratchets. I've never been able to fully understand the benefit of having the board flex more naturally.

I came to notice the excessive play when I strapped on a similar board, but with rome bindings attached and it just felt more solid and connected to the board and it seemed as though I was able to press a little higher than usual and twist the board a little easier.

Does anyone with reflex bindings notice this?

Can anyone with non-reflex bindings (in particular older full baseplate burtons) pull up on their heel hoops and see if a gap is created heelside between the board and bindings?
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I have no idea what you are describing. You are going to have to upload a video or at least some pics showing what you mean. I mounted my ReFLEX Malavita Restricteds to several pairs of boards this season and they aren't different than any other pair of bindings except that they can flex longitudinally with the board.
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I think he means that while leaning toeside his heel is coming up out of the binding. Sounds like he either has the wrong size bindings or needs to adjust the straps.
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I mean I can use my hand to pull the heel hoop upwards and create a gap between the back of the binding and board. Not sure if you can do the same with other bindings.

I'll try and post pics later.
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Ah. Now i know what you mean. Not sure if my bindings do this or not. Ill try when i get home from work. You sure you dont have a blown insert on your board?
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no defective inserts... i can do this on two separate boards with different reflex bindings.
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I have no idea what you are describing. You are going to have to upload a video or at least some pics showing what you mean. I mounted my ReFLEX Malavita Restricteds to several pairs of boards this season and they aren't different than any other pair of bindings except that they can flex longitudinally with the board.
Maybe he has the discs mounted wrong (the seam going length-wise down the board instead of across the board with the board flex). That being said, if I twist the board (front leg heelside, back leg toeside) I too can lift the baseplate off the board by the heel a little bit on my reflex CO2's - however that is a motion I would never do while riding so I'm not too worried about it (I might tighten my inserts a little more though).
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Maybe he has the discs mounted wrong (the seam going length-wise down the board instead of across the board with the board flex). That being said, if I twist the board (front leg heelside, back leg toeside) I too can lift the baseplate off the board by the heel a little bit on my reflex CO2's - however that is a motion I would never do while riding so I'm not too worried about it (I might tighten my inserts a little more though).
Discs are mounted the right way... IIRC i don't think you can even mount them to flex the opposite way because of the "teeth" on the disc.

I'm stil wondering though if you can create this lift with a full baseplate binding.
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I'm stil wondering though if you can create this lift with a full baseplate binding.
Yes if the baseplate is really flexy... I was able to do it with both my 2008 and 2009 Burton P1 bindings (although that was part of the reason I sold those bindings for something stiffer). Noticeably my 2009 Rome 390s and 2011 Rome 390 BOSS don't do this (much stiffer aluminum baseplate).

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Yes if the baseplate is really flexy... I was able to do it with both my 2008 and 2009 Burton P1 bindings (although that was part of the reason I sold those bindings for something stiffer).
My union forces lift a little if you twist in opposite directions. Like you said i think thats normal unless you have a really stiff baseplate on your bindings. How much lift is the OP talking about?
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