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Old 02-21-2012, 03:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've done tons of searching here and on Google, and I understand this is mostly a trial and error setting. I also understand there are some basic starting points as well as certain stances geared more for certain styles of riding.

I am a first year rider who can take the single blacks without issue unless it's a sheet of ice, so my skills are there. I grew up skateboarding, water skiing, wake boarding, and some surfing.... and I've been boarding 3 times a week since November so all of that helps.

I ride a Rossignol Taipan with Salomon F22 boots and Burton Cartel bindings. I ride regular, not goofy. I'm 5'8", 190 lbs. I don't ride park at all, but this weekend because of the conditions found my self going off the trail, up on tall ledges, and hitting small jumps here and there. Riding switch here and there for a very quick moment. Just playing around..

My first setup was a 22 3/4" stance width with a +12 or +15 (can't remember) front foot and a -3 back. When riding a straight I would feel myself trying to bring my front foot, at the time I thought, in. So I adjusted my binding angle in, to a +9. This is where I've been riding for the last two months (+9/-3) and my skill is constantly getting better. This weekend (awesome conditions) I was really hitting it hard and found my self exerting too much effort in transitions on the steap slopes, which resulted in sliding not carving. I think I was using my upper body to initiate and that I'd over compensate resulting in a slide after which I'd correct into a proper edge decent. This wasn't a slide to slow down and then continue decent this was, as said above, an over exertion into the turn. Does that make sense?


I got to thinking about it and that's when I did some more reading. I'm now thinking that my stance width was/is too wide, and that maybe I could have corrected that uncomfortable front foot feeling not by changing the front angle but instead by narrowing my stance width, which would also allow for easier maneuverability from edge to edge.. so I read.


So last night I moved my stance width in to a 21". Should I leave my angles at the +9/-3? I set them up at a +9/-9 but now I'm thinking maybe I should leave where they were and see what narrowing the stance width did for me. If I'm correct and that was the feeling of wanting to move my front foot in, that would allow me to open up the front foot some more and maintain the comfort. Once the front's dialed then I could open the back a bit so as to allow some play ability but not sacrifice main passion of carving.

Any help/opinions ? Sorry for the long post but I wanted to convey the entire situation to help you help me
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Mostly personal comfort and style of riding. A steeper angle in front is more comfortable for me when I want to carve (+21/+15) on hardpack. More relaxed generally (+18/+12) or +15/+9 in a powder day. Try and experiment.
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Mostly personal comfort and style of riding. A steeper angle in front is more comfortable for me when I want to carve (+21/+15) on hardpack. More relaxed generally (+18/+12) or +15/+9 in a powder day. Try and experiment.
Wow... thanks for the quick reply.

That's an aggressive back foot... I'd have to work into that slowly, but I think that would leave play days out of the picture. I'm thinking I want to open my back foot up a bit.

What's your height/weight/ stance width?
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Should I leave my angles at the +9/-3?
That seems like an awfully closed stance to me. You've only got a 12 degree difference between your front and rear leg, which (for most people, anyway) is a very awkward stance and reduces your ability to naturally flex your knees. Most recommendations will put you closer to a 30 degree difference between your front and rear foot, so if you wanted to go with the same ratio, you'd be at more like +18/-6 or -9.

Regardless, you should give angles with a slightly wider spread a try, it should feel quite a bit more natural.
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It's easier to carve since your knees are both facing forward. 5.10 / 150lb / 21.5" whatever feels more comfortable for you.
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That seems like an awfully closed stance to me. You've only got a 12 degree difference between your front and rear leg, which (for most people, anyway) is a very awkward stance and reduces your ability to naturally flex your knees. Most recommendations will put you closer to a 30 degree difference between your front and rear foot, so if you wanted to go with the same ratio, you'd be at more like +18/-6 or -9.

Regardless, you should give angles with a slightly wider spread a try, it should feel quite a bit more natural.

Thanks... I totally think my wide stance, 22 3/4", was the problem here. I'm only 5'8"

I think I was trying to close the front foot when I should have been closing the stance! Dag nabit!
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Yep..it sounds like a bit too wide
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So should I leave the stance angle the same knowing I adjusted the width, sticking with the adjust only one thing at a time rule. Or in this situation you guys think it'd be safe to put the back foot at the -3 and adjust the front foot back to a +15 and go from there?

I just put on my boots and stood on the board and I'm really leaning towards the latter (+15/-3)... but I always like to hear what people have to say.

Ultimately if I don't notice my steap slope boarding suffering I'd like to open up my back to -3 to -6 from the front, so I can ride switch and play around at will.
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Anyone on that last question?
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I'd widen your angles for sure. 18/-9 is pretty common for mostly-freeride-but-also-likes-to-ride-switch kind of people, but anything on the wider side should feel more comfortable than the 9/-3 you've been running.
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