Reflex vs EST - Snowboarding Forum

srdeo · 03-12-2012, 12:57 PM

Is it worth it get EST bindings if you already have reflex bindings?
I get that EST bindings are easier to adjust, but is it really any better than reflex once it's set up.
I will have to get new disk for reflex binding to be used on the channel which i gotten for free from burton. Personally i think benefit of these bindings are the fact that they flex under the feet.
Isnt reflex enough or does est flex differently compared to Reflex
Thanks

SJ10 · 03-12-2012, 01:47 PM

In my opinion the reflex bindings allow a more natural board flex than a standard est. The est will have better board feel though. The est with hinge is the best of both worlds but reflex on a burton board is a good way to go. I'd give the reflex a solid try before buying something with est.

srdeo · 03-12-2012, 03:04 PM

There is est binding with a hinge?

poutanen · 03-12-2012, 03:13 PM

Uhhhh, so you've got an EST/ICS/Channel board but non-EST reflex bindings on it right now?

I don't get it. If you've got the channel might as well make use out of it. The EST bindings use only two fasteners, but they're space approx 5" apart so pretty good support methinks, the non-EST to EST plates would have the fasteners only about 1.5" apart so less support.

All other things should be relatively equal between EST and non-EST bindings as long as the tech is the same (ie. reflex, hinge, etc.)

SJ10 · 03-12-2012, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srdeo

There is est binding with a hinge?

Diode and Malavita.

Aznglfer · 03-12-2012, 11:38 PM

You should just stick with Reflexs in my opinion. I went from ESTs to Reflex and I didnt feel like I lost any flex with them. I mean their contact with the board is pretty much similar. Plus they are cheaper and Reflexs work with any board where as ESTs are only for Burton.

604al · 03-13-2012, 01:26 AM

Unless you switch your stance often, I don't see the point.... I still don't get all the fuss with the concepts of "eliminating dead spots" and "increasing board flex"... Initially the idea of lighter weight and more dampening got me, but I've moved BACK from reflex to non-reflex Burton bindings and am loving it. They're just more responsive.

Sounds very similar to a camber/reverse camber debate.

poutanen · 03-13-2012, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 604al

Sounds very similar to a camber/reverse camber debate.

+1, I saw the video comparing them to the trucks on a skateboard, but I made a post about the big difference between a skateboard and a snowboard but got no bites. A skateboard needs it's wheels to be in contact with the ground, so you want everything to flex. A snowboard needs to be up on an edge, and the greater then angle, the harder the carve generally speaking. So to me I wouldn't want to ADD flex into a binding design.

But I ride a super stiff camber board with super stiff bindings and boots, so I represent one polar end of the spectrum.

The right end.

srdeo · 03-13-2012, 10:27 AM

So regular bindings are more responsive than EST or Reflex bindings?

604al · 03-13-2012, 05:45 PM

From personal experience the 2011 non-reflex malavitas are more responsive than the 2012 reflex malavitas... i have both right now. I also have 2012 cobrasharks (non-reflex) and find them more responsive than 2012 reflex malavitas.

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03-12-2012, 01:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
SJ10 Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 64	In my opinion the reflex bindings allow a more natural board flex than a standard est. The est will have better board feel though. The est with hinge is the best of both worlds but reflex on a burton board is a good way to go. I'd give the reflex a solid try before buying something with est.

03-12-2012, 03:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
srdeo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 112	There is est binding with a hinge?

03-12-2012, 03:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
poutanen Resident Creep-o-saurus Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 3,561	Uhhhh, so you've got an EST/ICS/Channel board but non-EST reflex bindings on it right now? I don't get it. If you've got the channel might as well make use out of it. The EST bindings use only two fasteners, but they're space approx 5" apart so pretty good support methinks, the non-EST to EST plates would have the fasteners only about 1.5" apart so less support. All other things should be relatively equal between EST and non-EST bindings as long as the tech is the same (ie. reflex, hinge, etc.)

03-12-2012, 11:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
Aznglfer Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 34	You should just stick with Reflexs in my opinion. I went from ESTs to Reflex and I didnt feel like I lost any flex with them. I mean their contact with the board is pretty much similar. Plus they are cheaper and Reflexs work with any board where as ESTs are only for Burton.

03-13-2012, 01:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
604al Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 145	Unless you switch your stance often, I don't see the point.... I still don't get all the fuss with the concepts of "eliminating dead spots" and "increasing board flex"... Initially the idea of lighter weight and more dampening got me, but I've moved BACK from reflex to non-reflex Burton bindings and am loving it. They're just more responsive. Sounds very similar to a camber/reverse camber debate.

03-13-2012, 05:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
604al Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 145	From personal experience the 2011 non-reflex malavitas are more responsive than the 2012 reflex malavitas... i have both right now. I also have 2012 cobrasharks (non-reflex) and find them more responsive than 2012 reflex malavitas.