the 2013 Burton Genesis ReFlex Bindings... - Page 4 - Snowboarding Forum

ShredLife · 06-06-2012, 01:03 PM

the lowest lace loops on my boots have shredded up the inside of the ankle strap on my back foot a bit, but it doesn't really affect the function too much.... still pretty lame at shit can't hold up on a $$$$ pair of bindings...i may have them replaced in the off season.

the foam on the highback and footbed doesn''t hold up well either. its comfy but too lightweight to last.

so yea com to think of it mine are kinda falling apart too..... but they worked well for one season at least

and were very comfy and light

i am only 150 lbs.

ShredLife · 06-06-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 604al

I think the baseplate has been changed in the 13 Malavitas and are like the Genesis ones... you can see coring in the heelcup for 2013.

And the Malavita baseplate is DEFINITELY softer than the Cartel one... the Genesis baseplate also seems stiffer than the 2012 Malavita one.

I'm 190 pounds and about 10 days on the Genesis so far with no issues,and bailing is half my game. Only thing that seems sketchy is the flimsy highback, which I dont see how a heavier rider could break. I could see one possibly breaking if you somehow snagged your pant leg in-between the two highbacks and yanked hard, but with Burton's amazing customer service I dont see that as a concern.

do you hit 40 ft jumps? or drop 30 ft cliffs? not to sound dickish (cuz that kinda does... stAN DARSH!

) but at 190 there are alot of bindings you could break doing shit like that.... and yea those heelcups are seriously cored out. super cereal. jus sayin

604al · 06-06-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ShredLife

do you hit 40 ft jumps? or drop 30 ft cliffs? not to sound dickish (cuz that kinda does... stAN DARSH!

) but at 190 there are alot of bindings you could break doing shit like that.... and yea those heelcups are seriously cored out. super cereal. jus sayin

Nope, as I got them late in the season, most days were spent in the park on small-medium features and max 20 foot jumps. No offense taken.

Leo · 06-06-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 604al

I think the baseplate has been changed in the 13 Malavitas and are like the Genesis ones... you can see coring in the heelcup for 2013.

And the Malavita baseplate is DEFINITELY softer than the Cartel one... the Genesis baseplate also seems stiffer than the 2012 Malavita one.

I just grabbed the 2013 catalog. You're right, the Malavita Baseplate did change. It's no longer the park blend baseplate for 2013. It is the same 30% glass filled nylon as the 2013 Cartels.

I honestly don't think the 2012 Malavitas are THAT much softer than the 2012 Cartels. But then again, I didn't get to do any significant riding with either as this was at a demo day.

The flex difference is even less noticeable between the Winged version and the Cartel to me.

scotty100 · 06-06-2012, 05:41 PM

Leo - do you have a link to the new Burton 2013 catalog online? thanks...

dreampow · 06-06-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 604al

I think removing the rubber strip in the middle cutout makes a difference, and I may cut the rubber strip out of my other gettagrip bindings,

Did you try this?

Seems like it would work to me, that middle strip gets in the way of the cap from hugging the toe of the boot, which could be why they slip if not just right.

I may cut it on my 2011 cartels, but would be nice to hear from someone who has done so and felt an improvement / no problems afterwards.

Hmmm, it seems from what people are saying the 2012 malativas are a bit to significantly softer. I may just stay with the cartels and get the 2013s.

Anyone have experience with the 2013 cartels?

New tech? changes in flex? What does it say in your catalog Leo?

Leo · 06-07-2012, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty100

Leo - do you have a link to the new Burton 2013 catalog online? thanks...

No I don't... I work for snowboards.net so that's how I have access to it. I'm actually listing them now. Looks like 3 of them went live. You can keep track of them here:

Burton Bindings

604al · 06-07-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dreampow

Did you try this?

Seems like it would work to me, that middle strip gets in the way of the cap from hugging the toe of the boot, which could be why they slip if not just right.

I may cut it on my 2011 cartels, but would be nice to hear from someone who has done so and felt an improvement / no problems afterwards.

Hmmm, it seems from what people are saying the 2012 malativas are a bit to significantly softer. I may just stay with the cartels and get the 2013s.

Anyone have experience with the 2013 cartels?

New tech? changes in flex? What does it say in your catalog Leo?

I cut it, moved the strap to the furthest back positions and maxed out the lengths at the same time and it worked for me, but i'm not sure which one (or all) actually solved the slipping. It definitely wont cause any long term issues by cutting the rubber middle... it's just a little difficult to do it cleanly so as to make it look like it wasn't cut in the first place.

Sassicaia · 08-16-2012, 11:00 AM

amazing burton rated these as a 7 for response when the diode is an 8. Its considered to in the line of their "stiff" bindings when the feedback from riders has been that its more of an all mountain leaning towards freestyle...unless im miss interpreting the reviews from riders.

Nito · 09-03-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo

Genesis is a prophecy replacement so I say ditch the prophecy.

Since the Genesis is replacing the Prophecy, besides the highback what else is different?

06-06-2012, 01:03 PM	#31 (permalink)
ShredLife The Rooster King Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,349	the lowest lace loops on my boots have shredded up the inside of the ankle strap on my back foot a bit, but it doesn't really affect the function too much.... still pretty lame at shit can't hold up on a $$$$ pair of bindings...i may have them replaced in the off season. the foam on the highback and footbed doesn''t hold up well either. its comfy but too lightweight to last. so yea com to think of it mine are kinda falling apart too..... but they worked well for one season at least and were very comfy and light i am only 150 lbs. __________________ get the hell off my lawn.

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Sassicaia -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 509	amazing burton rated these as a 7 for response when the diode is an 8. Its considered to in the line of their "stiff" bindings when the feedback from riders has been that its more of an all mountain leaning towards freestyle...unless im miss interpreting the reviews from riders. Last edited by Sassicaia; 08-16-2012 at 11:02 AM.

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scotty100 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: San Francisco Posts: 202	Leo - do you have a link to the new Burton 2013 catalog online? thanks...