the 2013 Burton Genesis ReFlex Bindings... - Page 5 - Snowboarding Forum

Nito · 09-03-2012, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

amazing burton rated these as a 7 for response when the diode is an 8. Its considered to in the line of their "stiff" bindings when the feedback from riders has been that its more of an all mountain leaning towards freestyle...unless im miss interpreting the reviews from riders.

Don't go by Burton's rating, the Genesis is softer based on what I saw on You Tube (base and highback).

jchaison · 11-25-2012, 10:43 PM

To anyone that has actually ridden these...would you recommend them to someone who is an advanced rider who doesn't ride park, just groomers, glades and powder? I have really stiff boots (Ride Insano) and just got a moderately stiff deck (NS Cobra) and not sure how these will mesh (the highback seems REALLY flexible and soft). I bought these and the Union SL and definitely not a fan of hte SL. After reading a bit, I'm wondering if I should go with Cartels or Malavitas instead for some more responsive/stiff bindings.

Supra · 11-26-2012, 12:36 AM

since you've bought them already, just ride them and see for yourself. You're an advanced rider, right? I don't understand why you would base your binding keep/sell decision on what a bunch of internet strangers tell you

jchaison · 11-26-2012, 10:27 AM

Just asking for feedback from people who have ridden it before...just like those who would look for reviews/feedback before buying a car or something. I am an advanced rider but haven't ridden a wide array of gear (I had a set of Clickers I learned on and then a set of traditional bindings from Atomic that are stiffer than the Genesis). This is my first setup where I'm buying everything I "choose" as opposed to what sort of fits and is on sale at the end of the season. These intrigued me and I grabbed a pair after reading Burton's party line on them...now after reading some more it sounds like they aren't a good fit. I'd rather return them "unused" and get a set of Vitas or Cartels if they are going to be better for me. The $50-75 price difference isn't a huge deal (when spending ~$1000 on my first setup in 6 years)...I just want the binding that suits my needs.

You've ridden them (from my post in the other thread)...do you think they will be too soft for my style of riding?

Supra · 11-26-2012, 03:53 PM

The honest truth is no one can really say. The trump card here is personal preference. Stiff boots plus stiff board does not automatically equal diodes.
Sure, if you put the absolute softest bindings on the stiffest board, the binders will be under powered, but in this situation, I think it's splitting hairs.
In my case, I like most bindings if they can hold my foot tightly and reasonably comfortably. I just adjust to the rest of the variables.
Now, I tried the 2013 cartels and they were 'normal', same with the malavitas. Nothing worth upgrading over my 2012's. then I got on the genesis. I wasn't interested since I found them to be too expensive, especially when the cartels do a perfect job and since reflex came out, are pretty amazing. Well, the bottom line is I couldn't give them back lol. Like has been written already in this thread, they feel invisible, but give you all the support you need. they really felt like an entirely new level of tech. i shredded all day in them and didn't feel like they were too soft. I even tried to put the straps on my 2012 cartels to see if that was the reason for them feeling so good, but it wasn't just the straps, it was the whole package.
See, nowadays, most of the burton bindings are really all mountain - they can be used for anything. Buying malavitas because you do park over cartels, is mostly due to the marketing dept, since both bindings are pretty similar.

BigmountainVMD · 11-28-2012, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nito

Since the Genesis is replacing the Prophecy, besides the highback what else is different?

I'm interested in this as well. I find that there are too many similarities between the Genesis and the Malavitas to really figure out what to be interested in. I have Prophecys, but I'm not convinced the Genesis highback will hold up. I could see a really cold day and a odd collision with a tree or a fall on a booter having devastating effects on a highback with movable plastic parts.

I was thinking about picking up some 'Vitas for my Proto, but it seems they are too similar to the Prophecy to necessitate the spending of cash.

Supra · 11-28-2012, 03:49 PM

Only similarity is the baseplate. They ride completely different.
I agree that the durability of the highback is a question mark, but I was assured by B that it was really strong. Mine should arrive next week so we'll see when I start riding them.
If your prophecy are still fine just keep riding them. You're only losing out on the genesis highback really, if you can call it losing out.
Or, sell the prophecy now, while everybody still remember them

BigmountainVMD · 11-28-2012, 04:17 PM

Yeah, I'll wait a year for the new highback to get truly tested. Thing is, I switch the bindings between my Proto and T. Rice and I think the Genesis would be too flexible.

Sassicaia · 11-29-2012, 11:35 PM

I had a chance to ride these bindings on two different boards for a few days now. I think a 7 out if 10 for response is accurate. Jut my two cents. I personally really like them an they will stay on one of my boards.

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11-25-2012, 10:43 PM	#42 (permalink)
jchaison Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 48	To anyone that has actually ridden these...would you recommend them to someone who is an advanced rider who doesn't ride park, just groomers, glades and powder? I have really stiff boots (Ride Insano) and just got a moderately stiff deck (NS Cobra) and not sure how these will mesh (the highback seems REALLY flexible and soft). I bought these and the Union SL and definitely not a fan of hte SL. After reading a bit, I'm wondering if I should go with Cartels or Malavitas instead for some more responsive/stiff bindings.

11-26-2012, 12:36 AM	#43 (permalink)
Supra Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	since you've bought them already, just ride them and see for yourself. You're an advanced rider, right? I don't understand why you would base your binding keep/sell decision on what a bunch of internet strangers tell you

11-26-2012, 10:27 AM	#44 (permalink)
jchaison Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 48	Just asking for feedback from people who have ridden it before...just like those who would look for reviews/feedback before buying a car or something. I am an advanced rider but haven't ridden a wide array of gear (I had a set of Clickers I learned on and then a set of traditional bindings from Atomic that are stiffer than the Genesis). This is my first setup where I'm buying everything I "choose" as opposed to what sort of fits and is on sale at the end of the season. These intrigued me and I grabbed a pair after reading Burton's party line on them...now after reading some more it sounds like they aren't a good fit. I'd rather return them "unused" and get a set of Vitas or Cartels if they are going to be better for me. The $50-75 price difference isn't a huge deal (when spending ~$1000 on my first setup in 6 years)...I just want the binding that suits my needs. You've ridden them (from my post in the other thread)...do you think they will be too soft for my style of riding?

11-26-2012, 03:53 PM	#45 (permalink)
Supra Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	The honest truth is no one can really say. The trump card here is personal preference. Stiff boots plus stiff board does not automatically equal diodes. Sure, if you put the absolute softest bindings on the stiffest board, the binders will be under powered, but in this situation, I think it's splitting hairs. In my case, I like most bindings if they can hold my foot tightly and reasonably comfortably. I just adjust to the rest of the variables. Now, I tried the 2013 cartels and they were 'normal', same with the malavitas. Nothing worth upgrading over my 2012's. then I got on the genesis. I wasn't interested since I found them to be too expensive, especially when the cartels do a perfect job and since reflex came out, are pretty amazing. Well, the bottom line is I couldn't give them back lol. Like has been written already in this thread, they feel invisible, but give you all the support you need. they really felt like an entirely new level of tech. i shredded all day in them and didn't feel like they were too soft. I even tried to put the straps on my 2012 cartels to see if that was the reason for them feeling so good, but it wasn't just the straps, it was the whole package. See, nowadays, most of the burton bindings are really all mountain - they can be used for anything. Buying malavitas because you do park over cartels, is mostly due to the marketing dept, since both bindings are pretty similar.

11-28-2012, 03:49 PM	#47 (permalink)
Supra Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	Only similarity is the baseplate. They ride completely different. I agree that the durability of the highback is a question mark, but I was assured by B that it was really strong. Mine should arrive next week so we'll see when I start riding them. If your prophecy are still fine just keep riding them. You're only losing out on the genesis highback really, if you can call it losing out. Or, sell the prophecy now, while everybody still remember them

11-29-2012, 11:35 PM	#49 (permalink)
Sassicaia -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 509	I had a chance to ride these bindings on two different boards for a few days now. I think a 7 out if 10 for response is accurate. Jut my two cents. I personally really like them an they will stay on one of my boards.