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Old 07-21-2012, 03:42 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Does the % of glass composite make a difference?

Burton lists the Cartel and the Malavita as the same response rating, I thought I had this understood...and the Malavita is more $$...I can't tell what extra value it offers?
I thought it did. that's all I've heard. there are other factors of course. But glass composition is definitely one of them. we'll see. If the 2013 cartels come with asym strap I may get those. I don't think I'm even good enough to notice the difference between the two anyway.

I just want the one that's more versatile. But for now, I'll try the Phantoms if I can.
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Old 07-21-2012, 03:52 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Pretty sure the 12 cartel restricteds came with teh asym from what I can tell so if u get those it should be on the 13s.
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Pretty sure the 12 cartel restricteds came with teh asym from what I can tell so if u get those it should be on the 13s.
Yes, the 12 Restricted Cartels had the a-strap. Suspect it will 'trickle down' to the regular Cartels at some point, but not sure whether in 2013 already.
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:24 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Pretty sure the 12 cartel restricteds came with teh asym from what I can tell so if u get those it should be on the 13s.
They definitely did, and if I can find one in medium re:flex i'd grab it (and it wasn't full price).

But I thought I saw it was trickling down to the normal cartels. I only suspect that because I saw a Blue colored '13 cartel with the strap. So either it's trickled down, or they are releasing Restricteds in something other than black.



Those look sharp. I'm definitely narrowing it down to these two (Phantoms/Cartels).

Strap looks different than the bigger looking one on the Malavitas though.

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Old 07-21-2012, 06:15 PM   #15 (permalink)
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this colorway in reflex cartels, I'll take em.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:10 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Well, according to this link, the cartel restricted does not come with an asym strap.

Burton Restricted Cartel Bindings | Men's Bindings | Bindings | Darkside Snowboard Shop

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•STRAPS: NEW Reactstrap™ and Gettagrip Capstrap™
The vita does:
Burton Restricted Malavita Bindings Blackness | Men's Bindings | Bindings | Darkside Snowboard Shop

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•STRAPS: NEW Asym Reactstrap™ and Gettagrip Capstrap™
That photo above is not asym it seems (the blue one).

Oh well, we'll know when it hits stores
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Well, according to this link, the cartel restricted does not come with an asym strap.

Burton Restricted Cartel Bindings | Men's Bindings | Bindings | Darkside Snowboard Shop



The vita does:
Burton Restricted Malavita Bindings Blackness | Men's Bindings | Bindings | Darkside Snowboard Shop



That photo above is not asym it seems (the blue one).

Oh well, we'll know when it hits stores
Reactstrap is what was on the Diodes and Prophecies last year. This year it is also on the Restricted Cartel. Not sure I would consider it an upgrade over the asymmetrical strap of the 12 Restricteds, though...

Not sure about the photo - I have heard that the 2013 regular Cartels might also get the Reactstrap, but forgot to confirm with my contact. Or it just could be an asym strap after all...

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Reactstrap is what was on the Diodes and Prophecies last year. This year it is also on the Restricted Cartel. Not sure I would consider it an upgrade over the asymmetrical strap of the 12 Restricteds, though...

Not sure about the photo - I have heard that the 2013 regular Cartels might also get the Reactstrap, but forgot to confirm with my contact. Or it just could be an asym strap after all...
Yeah from this video it looks like the regular Cartels also get the Reactstrap as it doesn't say those are Restricteds.



So the question is, asym reactsrap vs regular Reacstraps.

Damn, I want a little stiffer bindings than the Malavitas. IF it's a wash I might as well go get the Cartels. But if the Asym is significantly better ...
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Saw a pair of 2013 Caetels in my local shop the other day and they had the asym strap.
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Well, Burton has just updated their website with the info for the 2013 gear, so we got the answers:
  • Non-restricted bindings still have symmetrical straps - old Superstrap for the Missions and React Strap on the Cartels (also still on the Diode and Genesis). Exception are the Malavitas which have new Asym React Strap both on the restricted and non-restricted models.
  • Restricted bindings all have various forms of asym straps - Asym Lushstrap on the Customs, Asym Superstrap on the Missions (same as Restricted Missions and Restricted Cartels last year), and a new Asym React Strap on the Cartels and Malavitas.

Couple of observations:
  • Seems Burton has decided that the gap between the (restricted) Missions and Cartels had gotten a bit narrow - not all the tech from last year's Cartels got handed down to the Missions this year, so now there are quite a few differences (different ankle strap, canted footbed, B3 Gel, Under-Baseplate EVA). Flex on the Restricted Missions also went back down to 6.
  • Restricted Cartel is really positioned as the premium binding in the line-up again, getting some technology (new Asym React Strap) that even the Diode and Genesis do not have.
  • Pretty much the entire non-EST line-up is Re:Flex now - only the Customs and the entry-level Freestyle bindings are left as non-Re:Flex Disc bindings.

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this colorway in reflex cartels, I'll take em.
It is, but only for the regular/non-restricted Re:Flex Cartel.

There is still an additional color option for the Restricted line this year (not only black) - but IMHO they are all hideous.

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