I have been reading some threads here on forward leans of bindings in the forum. I have come across people mentioning that theirs are set at 8 degrees or at some other precise settings. I wonder if it’s because my bindings (presumably Burton Mission EST as per the words on them) are not the most expensive ones out there, hence they don’t give any indication (degrees) of how far backward or forward the backs are leaned. I guess the only way I could tell how mine are set is purely from some rough eyeballing.
In the picture, the white arrows point to the plus sign (add forward lean) and the minus sign (reduce forward lean), into which direction you would turn the black plastic lever (indicated by yellow arrow) to alter lean angle.
Any boarders out there with similar bindings could kindly tell me how they measure or quote their bindings’ lean angles when they talk about the issue with friends?
It isn't a matter of which way will alter it.
It turns both ways, the only way it won't turn both ways is, if it is at the farthest setting one way. Then it will only go the other direction.
The precise angle doesn't really mean shit. If it will only turn one way, it is probably @ the least amount of forward lean possible.
Just turn it, you will be able to see it change as you do it.
Having more forward lean will let you carve heel side much more powerfully.
It's a finicky thing though, it will feel weird @ first. You only need to do it a little bit @ a time.
@ first it makes you feel like you going to catch a toe side edge & eat shit, but that goes away really quick, like +or- an hour & then you will start to feel the benefits.
Then it's just a matter of dialing it in to exactly how you want it.
Thanks ETM. I get your idea. I wonder if I should get a protractor to read the lean angles rather than just saying "somewhere in between". Or perhaps the whole issue is just a feel thing hence nobody needs to quote precise angles.
Thanks timmytard. I have remembered the default setting before I dial the lever either way and see what it does to the lean angle. There is a gross difference of the lean at both extremes, that is, most forward and least forward lean. I think I understand how the lever works and what is more forward lean, or less forward lean. timmytard I understand your concerns for me and I think I am ok with those.
Your further elaboration is a very good reiteration to what I have been reading up on forward lean the last few days in the forum.
My question is,
1.) When someone says their lean angles are say, precisely 8 degrees, did they get the reading from some sophisticated markings which could be present on their bindings and not on mine?
2.) Since I never paid attention to lean angles in my last season, hence I declare I have never fiddled with them. But obviously next season round, most probably I will, but in small steps. And obviously, as I stated above, at the extremes of either most forward lean and least forward lean, even simple eyeballing could tell the gross difference. But what about, the in-betweens, does a single full rotation of the lever, going either direction from the default setting (when I got them from the shop), is going to make a very noticeable difference to the feel, board aggressiveness during carving, heelside edge hold and whatnot? Has anybody played around with just a single rotation of the lever and noticed any significant difference? Just my curiosity.
1.) When someone says their lean angles are say, precisely 8 degrees, did they get the reading from some sophisticated markings which could be present on their bindings and not on mine?
This person is a nerd who should be ignored - nobody runs around talking about their highback binding angles. Are they throwing corks and then talking about this 8 degree highback, thus convincing you that you are missing something? Follow the 'Tard's advice and do them comfy.
2.) Since I never paid attention to lean angles in my last season, hence I declare I have never fiddled with them. But obviously next season round, most probably I will, but in small steps. And obviously, as I stated above, at the extremes of either most forward lean and least forward lean, even simple eyeballing could tell the gross difference. But what about, the in-betweens, does a single full rotation of the lever, going either direction from the default setting (when I got them from the shop), is going to make a very noticeable difference to the feel, board aggressiveness during carving, heelside edge hold and whatnot? Has anybody played around with just a single rotation of the lever and noticed any significant difference? Just my curiosity.
You are overthinking this. Most highbacks have a little notched deal with like 4-8 different notches you can set your lean at. On some of these they might be marked with degrees - who the fuck cares. In the case of your Burtons with the little dial, the dial is simply a more organic function of the exact same thing. Still do what Timmy said.
Its kind of a crappy diagram but I could find it quickest. If you look at where your highback attaches to the heel loop - 2points of contact. You should be able to rotate the highback within the heel loop. There are usually 3-4 positions or holes u can move those 2 points of contact. Now you can see that in the different positions, the highback will rotate around the heel cup. If you ride an average "duck" stance of say 15degrees on both the front and back foot, and just slap your bindings on in the default highback attachment, they will probably look like the top diagram. Looking down at your board on the floor, the highbacks when up, will not run with the edge of the board but crooked. Now try rotating them so that they run parallel to the edge of the board.
Not yet. I am reading your description closely to fully digest it. Give me a little time. I will hold my bindings in my own hands and work out what you mean by heel loop and heel cup. I am learning but this one seems not as easy to understand as forward lean apparently. The minute I read someone explaining what forward lean is, I guess I got the gist of it. I would love to appreciate what rotating highbacks are all about ...... but I am ...... just not there yet.
Is this heel cup thing present in all bindings? You sure I could also find it in mine?
I will get back to this topic/ thread later after some reflections
Thanks snowklinger and 509-pow for the efforts. I think I got it now. I think the first youtube link in 509-pow's post well explained it. I just realize that that's one setting I could (I never knew) change, and it appears it could be changed either way too, that is, either more parallel, or more unparallel.
May I assume that if I say "rotated the high backs", that would mean rotated the high backs to more parallel?
What would happen if the high backs are parallel, and how does that tie in with forward lean?
yes the high back should be paralle, but i do not keep mine paralle. i just got used to it how it is. i believe that it helps with heel side turning but i have no idea.
how this ties in with forward lean idk. my bindings are burton cartels and they come with zero lean. just the way i like it.
maybe this will help with that. What is Forward Lean on Snowboard Bindings? - The House Boardshop
Monkey with it until it feels right, completely depends on personal comfort / riding style. I've tried rotating my highbacks and didn't really notice a difference (or didn't like the difference... can't remember).
timmytard. Got it. Thanks for another very useful reply.
HoBoMaster. You are right. Everything depends. Snowboarding is not nanoscience. Go with feel and have a great run out there.
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