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Old 09-20-2012, 06:07 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Thanks for your thoughts. As I mentioned, I seem to be ok with the Color so far - which is under a cm shorter.

I used the mounting option with the Forces that allows horizontal (travel across the board width) movement; and pushed them back so the heel is at the rear edge; and turned them at 15 degrees, which feels good anyway.

Basically the boots take the whole width and really dominate the board, but don't seem to dig in.

The difference in width between the top and bottom boards is less than a cm anyway.. The only way to add more would be a with a wide board; and the smallest one is 157.. Which kinda defeats the point in going small; and only adds 1.5cm.

So, for 200, I think I'll chance it!
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:15 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Who the hell is telling you a smaller shorter board is going to have more grip? That's positively ridiculous and utterly wrong.

I ride a 153 and weigh 150lbs. How does it make sense that you are going to get similar edge performance as me when your pushing 50 more pounds into the board?

You don't need to go shorter and get camber, stay the same and get something stiffer with better edge hold. The Endeavor Live Reverse is a solid all mountain freestyle board that will be super fun to jump too. The YES Greats like I said is also a great option.

If you really just have to have camber and smaller, Get a Ride DH 155, Nitro Factory Rook 156, Burton Aftermath 155, Flow Quantum 155, Arbor Relapse 155, or a Salomon Sabotage 156.
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Old 09-20-2012, 07:02 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Noone has said that? It's the regular camber that provides more grip and stability, because it 'bites' into the snow better than RC.

Wanting to go smaller is entirely different. I would like some more manoeuvrability; and friends of mine on small boards say I'll have a lot of fun being able to whip it round more easily.

I've got a stiff 161cm cambered as well and combining my experience so far; the things I enjoy doing and talking to a number of different people, I think there's a nice space in my quiver for a small cambered board.

I've got two Endeavors already and like them; I've had my eye on a Live for some time; it gets great reviews; and I've found one at a great price.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:26 PM   #24 (permalink)
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a shorter camber board for quicker spins of jumps and better grip through ice. a longer reverse camber (rocker) board for float and stability in powder.
Not true =)
Shorter board - less grip.
Longer board for powder AND stability AND ice.
Shorter board for fun. (I got no short board, so i'm fking serious guy )

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Hmm.. Someone'e just pointed out board width..

I wear a UK size 12 (US 13) boot. That works fine with my 159cm (I have a fairly standard 15 degree tilt and set my heels back)..

Do you guys think a 153cm would be doable?
It must be me.

Check out your board width.
With US13 ( i got that too) you better keey board's waist close to 27cm.
Also: check out your stance, you'll notice that with 15 angle you have more overhang, then with 6. So you either go 0-3-6 angle or 21+, because th e diagonal is always longer then side.

This can actualy be as isuue, and if you getting low on stopping or carves this can be your problem. I've solved it in a way, i wouldn't advise to you guys =)

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Noone has said that? It's the regular camber that provides more grip and stability, because it 'bites' into the snow better than RC.
It gives you extra grip - not true.
It gives your more energy - yes.
You bend out the board with your 200 lbs to pretty the same arch, no matter rc or camber. And you grip with the edge on the snow in either rc or camber.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:44 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Noone has said that? It's the regular camber that provides more grip and stability, because it 'bites' into the snow better than RC.
If you take two boards that are exactly the same but one has rocker and one has camber, then yes. The cambered one, even in a single size down, will have more edge hold. When you go from a 159 to a 153, even with camber you will get LESS edge hold. The board is not designed to manage your weight. You WILL out torsion the tips and you WILL wash out.

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Wanting to go smaller is entirely different. I would like some more manoeuvrability; and friends of mine on small boards say I'll have a lot of fun being able to whip it round more easily.
If you want more maneuverability than your soft, appropriately sized, center rocker park board, ride better. At the very most drop down one size and get something stiffer. Center rocker is already the most maneuverable camber style out there. If you take my advice and only drop down to that 155-156 size range and get camber, it will still be a little slower to move around compared to your Color.

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I've got a stiff 161cm cambered as well and combining my experience so far; the things I enjoy doing and talking to a number of different people, I think there's a nice space in my quiver for a small cambered board.
That's fine. I really think you would have a lot more fun on a Live Reverse 156 or a 2013 YES Greats 156, but if you just have your head decided on the Live Camber, just don't get the 153. Even as stiffer board it will not ride as designed under your weight.
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I'm 5'9 155 lbs and ride a 152 and feel like i could even go shorter and be fine if i wanted to. a 153 isn't going to be unrideable.

And I wasn't saying that shorter boards have more grip, I know they have less. I was saying camber boards have more grip than RC boards and therefore if he's going to go shorter he should get a camber. Either that or invest in a specialized board for going through ice like the magnetraction on lib tech and gnu boards.
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:56 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Im not gonna say its an awful idea. Anyone can ride whatever the hell size of board they like, but its just a bit of a risk in truth. Effective edge is likely going to be too short for your weight (im around the same weight), so you will likely end up stuck in the park or washing. Performance wise youre also going to "bend the fuck out of it". This will mean LIKELY (since i have no idea about the flex of the board - but assuming youre going for a softer or medium soft set up), youre going to have little snap out of it and youre going to find it a touch squirly on landings. Hell, youll probably snap it though before you get sick of it so why the hell not?

But when you do snap it on a shit landing, just remember youre too heavy for it before you start screaming about poor manufacturing

The other problem, which might not be a problem at all, is that youre likely going to find yourself pretty much only pulling it out on park days. I dont know how close you live to the resort, but if you tend to day trip from a 100-200kms away, chances are youre bringing one board based on conditions that you arent ever entirely sure about until you get there. And having a quiver, nothing sucks more than guessing wrong and being stuck on your niche ride instaed of your kill it all ride. If you live even further away and do week trips, you will simply HAVE to bring another ride because it is going to be such a niche board for you. Nothing wrong in that, i stress this, ride what you want, but accept that this board is not going to be your go-to ride and it will be the supplement to your main ride because if theres any powder and you want to play in the powder, that day is going to fucking suck for you on that deck

What i would advise though is that you maybe demo a shorter board early season (or borrow one of your mates rides - if theyll let you, theyll probably think youre gonna snap it ), and see how it feels. We all like different things so maybe you find its the solution to improving in the area you wanna go so why the hell not... but honestly at 170lbs, i cant go lower than a 155 without feeling like i have a kids board strapped to my feet, and even then id rather have a longer ride. Then again, i cant go higher than a 160 without feeling like its a canoe, so plenty of mind games at work.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:50 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Ok, some strong opinions! Thanks though.

Do you guys think the 156cm (they have one) is going to be a better choice and more versatile then? That's only an inch shorter than the 159 that seems standard for my height.. Likewise it's only an inch longer than the 153 that you say is going to struggle with me!

It's a medium flex (6/10) for the record. The Live has a great reputation; it IS an all-rounder board; and I'm talking about dropping two (with the 156, one) inches off the standard for my size. Surely at least the 156cm should be a versatile ride?

Regarding my riding, I drive 40 minutes to the indoor snowpark once a week. I have booked my first week in the Alps of the season (December) and plan a total of three.
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Dude, go check out riding a 153 before you commit to anything if you can. It really might be the exact board you want, and at worst youre out a few quid on a rental. I aint you. Since you have access to a place to ride, have a punt and see how it goes.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:09 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Cheers. Unfortunately most of my board-riding friends are scattered over the world (doing guess what!). We have different board sizes to rent at the park.. But they're proper Rossignal rentals.. You know, half an inch of lino! Not sure how much they'd reflect what I'm buying!

I'd love to be able to try these boards, but I don't live in Canada - yet!
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