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Old 09-20-2012, 11:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default I own Union Force.. Should I go for Contact Pro, or SL next?

Hey

I got an Endeavor Color board a little while back (with Ltd. Edition Addict camo, not that silly cartoon graphic!) which is 159cm reverse camber, which I paired with Union Force 2011/12 bindings.

I've been hitting our local indoor snow park in preparation for the coming season (first trip of three booked already!), with an emphasis on jumps, 180s etc.

My conclusion so far, is that this setup is a fun ride, but struggles to 'bite' on ice (probably due to the RC) and it's a little on the large side for quick 180s. I think due to the size and shape it should ride real nice in powder though.

Hence, I'm now buying a regular camber board (found a great deal on an Endeavor Live 153 camber) for jumps, spins and general on-piste use. I've also been advised to go smaller (I am 5'9" and weigh 200lb/84kg) for maneuverability.

So I need to buy a second set of bindings. Do I get a softer pair for powder (the Contact Pro) or a stiffer, more responsive pair for on-pister (the SL)?

Option One:
159cm RC Endeavor Color with Union Force bindings for powder
153cm Reg Camber Endeavor Live with Union SL bindings for on-piste, jumps and spins

Option Two:
159cm RC Endeavor Color with Union Contact Pro bindings for powder
153cm Reg Camber Endeavor Live with Union Force bindings for on-piste, jumps and spins

Thanks
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hey man.

i'm with 220-230 lbs and 6"5 able to do 360 on my 174 (!!!) rockered board. (i fail 3 out of 5 jumps, but anyways)
I can easily do 180, and i do not catching edge anywhere.

"struggles to 'bite' on ice (probably due to the RC)"
Detune your board, if you think so. But i think it is all about the skills.

Usually people buy softer binders for park, and stiffer for freeride (powder goes this category).
My opinion: Force for powder, contact pro for park.
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You really don't need a different pair than the union force. they're nearly perfect for anything. If I were you I would put the forces on the new shorter board to use for jumps. Then for the bigger board you have now, you could either get another pair of forces or change it to the contact pro or SL depending on how stiff/soft you want the bindings to be. That's pretty much up to personal preference
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"struggles to 'bite' on ice (probably due to the RC)"
Detune your board, if you think so. But i think it is all about the skills.
detuning the board would give it even less of a "bite" so don't do that. it might partially be due to the RC but different RC boards will have good grip. A lot of it depends on the side cut. Magnetraction on lib tech and gnu boards for example grip very well on ice and so do a bunch of other boards I know. Camber may help a bit but that's not the main thing that's wrong
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks guys. Actually my intuitive response would be to put the Force bindings on the 153 regular camber.. Perhaps I over-thought this initially. So we're agreed that would be a neat setup for piste/park/jumps?

Then the question remains, an SL or a Contact Pro for my 159cm RC board with the general intention of powder use? I'd have softer would be best, but actually you recommend stiffer (the SL) for powder/off-piste?

I'm buying a second set mainly because I don't want to change bindings regularly on my trips; and two pairs is good in case something happens to a pair whilst I'm away.. I considered a second pair of Forces, but seems a good opportunity to try something new!

Regarding technique, I'm a fairly short, powerful rider. I think my technique on stopping is pretty solid; and the principle of RC cambered boards having less grip on ice is fairly well established, no?

Ollieing isn't my strongest point currently (I'm more strength/power than agility), hence the shorter board and 'pop' of camber is appealing!
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detuning the board would give it even less of a "bite" so don't do that. it might partially be due to the RC but different RC boards will have good grip. A lot of it depends on the side cut. Magnetraction on lib tech and gnu boards for example grip very well on ice and so do a bunch of other boards I know. Camber may help a bit but that's not the main thing that's wrong
oh, man... english aint my native so i understood as he catching edge and crashes down.

If he meant like he got less of a grip that he want to then... tune your board and sharpen your edges (cap oblivious =)). check that you don't have a toedrag and you board is wide enough.

Personally i don't think that camer-rocker or magnetraction makes a lot of sense for experienced riders. Check out snowboard racing: race board are cambered and no mangetraction or something similar =) and racers are first in line for an extra grip.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:08 PM   #7 (permalink)
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So we're down for 153cm regular camber + my Forces for piste?

For my powder board, I haven't ruled out getting a second pair of Union Forces..

The 2013 model is 180; 2012 (which I already own) is 140..

Are there any benefits to the 2013 model?
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Going to a 153 at 200lbs will not fix your ice "bite" issues.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:40 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Not the length, going to a regular camber. Stopping's not a major issue, just not as much grip as I'd like; or have had with camber.

Anyway. Back on topic.

SL for powder, or not?
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:44 PM   #10 (permalink)
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softer binders for park, rest is for powder.
contact pro is softer then force, i suppose.

then tune your "powder" board, for 88 degree (sharper then 90) and get fun.

ps: do you really need second board?
You can do whatver you want on your 159 board. tune it and you'll get extra grip. this will save you lots of money.
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