2012 K2 Formulas versus 2012 Burton Cartels - Snowboarding Forum

sabatoa · 09-21-2012, 08:07 AM

Hey guys.

I'm trying to figure out if there's any benefit to the 2012 Cartels versus the 2012 K2 Formulas. I like the canted footbeds and both have asymmetrical high backs.

I'm looking for a white pair from last year that will look good with my white '12 Legacy and the Cartels are more expensive so I was wondering if anyone knew if they were worth the extra simoleons.

As the Legacy suggests, my riding is all mountain freestyle. 70% groomers 30% park/kickers.

With that in mind, I'm not entirely locked in to one of those bindings if you have another 2012 model suggestion.

mitch19 · 09-21-2012, 08:38 AM

I rate the Formulas. Started off last season with them and for some god forsaken reason I changed it up mid season. Will be buying a new pair to kick off this season with and wont be changing them this time haha

david_z · 09-21-2012, 09:04 AM

I haven't ridden the Formulas (or at least not that I recollect) but I am a fan of the Burton Cartel, it's a good binding and quite versatile, especially since they relaxed the forward lean and shortened that highback a few seasons ago.

sabatoa · 09-21-2012, 09:10 AM

Does the relaxed forward lean mean that I'd have to work harder to engage heel side?

david_z · 09-21-2012, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabatoa

Does the relaxed forward lean mean that I'd have to work harder to engage heel side?

Nah.

When I say "relaxed" i mean "compared to the 2010 & prior year's cartels, which had a super aggressive forward lean built in. Coupled with the super-tall highbacks, a lot of people thought it was waaaay too much forward lean since the height exaggerated the already aggressive forward lean.

snowklinger · 09-21-2012, 10:43 AM

(on the Cartels) There is still a forward lean adjustment on the highback, so you can dial some in for heel-side engagement to your liking.

The Formula is famous for a no-nonsense, stripped down economy binding -think civic; while sharing some of the same features, the Cartel is a top of the line, feature rich binding that has enjoyed the top spot for years - think BMW.

I'm not a Burton lover by any means, but the Cartel and Malavita are some nice fucking bindings.

From k2, you need to jump like 4 models, to the Company (their lineup has changed but u get the idea) before you are comparing apples to apples.

That being said everytime someone asks for a cheap binding I swear BA and Nivek both say K2 Formula.

sabatoa · 09-21-2012, 10:46 AM

I appreciate that information.

While I am price sensitive, I also want quality. That's why I'm looking at last year's model to get the most bang for my buck.

You guys helped.

BurtonAvenger · 09-21-2012, 10:47 AM

Formula is not a cheap binding you're thinking Indy which used to be the Formula, new Formula is comparable.

snowklinger · 09-21-2012, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurtonAvenger

Formula is not a cheap binding you're thinking Indy which used to be the Formula, new Formula is comparable.

Totally I was gettin them confused. Maybe 1 step up to the Company, not 4

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david_z · 09-21-2012, 11:10 AM

I like the company. Considering those for my next set...

09-21-2012, 08:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
sabatoa -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mid-Michigan Posts: 1,505	2012 K2 Formulas versus 2012 Burton Cartels Hey guys. I'm trying to figure out if there's any benefit to the 2012 Cartels versus the 2012 K2 Formulas. I like the canted footbeds and both have asymmetrical high backs. I'm looking for a white pair from last year that will look good with my white '12 Legacy and the Cartels are more expensive so I was wondering if anyone knew if they were worth the extra simoleons. As the Legacy suggests, my riding is all mountain freestyle. 70% groomers 30% park/kickers. With that in mind, I'm not entirely locked in to one of those bindings if you have another 2012 model suggestion. __________________ '12 NS Legacy 163 Days on snow 2012/2013 season: Boyne Highlands: 5 Boyne Mtn: 1 Shanty Creek: 1 Crystal Mountain: 1 Pine Knob: 1 Mt Holly: 4 Hawk Island: 1 Cannonsburg: 0 End of Season: 01/12/2013

09-21-2012, 09:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
david_z Official SBF Blogger Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 5	I haven't ridden the Formulas (or at least not that I recollect) but I am a fan of the Burton Cartel, it's a good binding and quite versatile, especially since they relaxed the forward lean and shortened that highback a few seasons ago. __________________ Repping the world's smallest mountains... Mt. Holly - 12 Pine Knob - 9 Alpine Valley - 2 Vail - 4 Breckenridge - 3 Crystal Mountain (MI) - 3 Hawk Island Snow Park - 5 Caberfae Peaks - 1 Boyne Mountain - 1 aGNARchy: no rules, just gnar!

09-21-2012, 09:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
sabatoa -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mid-Michigan Posts: 1,505	Does the relaxed forward lean mean that I'd have to work harder to engage heel side? __________________ '12 NS Legacy 163 Days on snow 2012/2013 season: Boyne Highlands: 5 Boyne Mtn: 1 Shanty Creek: 1 Crystal Mountain: 1 Pine Knob: 1 Mt Holly: 4 Hawk Island: 1 Cannonsburg: 0 End of Season: 01/12/2013

09-21-2012, 10:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
snowklinger Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: fuck boulder Posts: 2,822	(on the Cartels) There is still a forward lean adjustment on the highback, so you can dial some in for heel-side engagement to your liking. The Formula is famous for a no-nonsense, stripped down economy binding -think civic; while sharing some of the same features, the Cartel is a top of the line, feature rich binding that has enjoyed the top spot for years - think BMW. I'm not a Burton lover by any means, but the Cartel and Malavita are some nice fucking bindings. From k2, you need to jump like 4 models, to the Company (their lineup has changed but u get the idea) before you are comparing apples to apples. That being said everytime someone asks for a cheap binding I swear BA and Nivek both say K2 Formula. __________________ is it late october yet?

09-21-2012, 10:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
sabatoa -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mid-Michigan Posts: 1,505	I appreciate that information. While I am price sensitive, I also want quality. That's why I'm looking at last year's model to get the most bang for my buck. You guys helped. __________________ '12 NS Legacy 163 Days on snow 2012/2013 season: Boyne Highlands: 5 Boyne Mtn: 1 Shanty Creek: 1 Crystal Mountain: 1 Pine Knob: 1 Mt Holly: 4 Hawk Island: 1 Cannonsburg: 0 End of Season: 01/12/2013

09-21-2012, 08:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
mitch19 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 253	I rate the Formulas. Started off last season with them and for some god forsaken reason I changed it up mid season. Will be buying a new pair to kick off this season with and wont be changing them this time haha

09-21-2012, 10:47 AM	#8 (permalink)
BurtonAvenger Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mountains Posts: 8,050	Formula is not a cheap binding you're thinking Indy which used to be the Formula, new Formula is comparable. __________________ Angry Snowboarder Because someone has to call it how they see it!

09-21-2012, 11:10 AM	#10 (permalink)
david_z Official SBF Blogger Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 5	I like the company. Considering those for my next set... __________________ Repping the world's smallest mountains... Mt. Holly - 12 Pine Knob - 9 Alpine Valley - 2 Vail - 4 Breckenridge - 3 Crystal Mountain (MI) - 3 Hawk Island Snow Park - 5 Caberfae Peaks - 1 Boyne Mountain - 1 aGNARchy: no rules, just gnar!

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