Union's or Flux's? - Page 3 - Snowboarding Forum

tylerkat89 · 09-25-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ShredLife

regardless of if he's sponsored by them (yet) Cro is not a shill.

if the choice is between flux and union its flux all day every day. union bindings are a complete joke - at this point their toestraps (NOT a capstrap) is about 4-5 years behind the rest of the industry.

Union = FAILURE AT LIFE

Bahaha. Poor Union losing to quite a few brand comparisons on this forum. They even lost to Rome in my thread hah

think this would spur some action for them to start making differences and hearing what we, the consumers, are wanting.

Nivek · 09-26-2012, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tylerkat89

Bahaha. Poor Union losing to quite a few brand comparisons on this forum. They even lost to Rome in my thread hah

think this would spur some action for them to start making differences and hearing what we, the consumers, are wanting.

They wont listen. When someone tries to offer constructive criticism to Union they just get all pissy and call you a hater.

On top of the shitty ratchets, piss poor toe straps, and complete lack of heel dampening, they don't have a single binding that has tool less straps.

Wanna see their innovation?

2007ish

2012

New toe ratchet and new toe strap? Maybe new ankle strap?

RightCoastShred · 09-26-2012, 05:56 PM

Unions were great when they came out, but the bindings industry has changed and union has been in a coma ever since. I checked out the 2013s today and they are the same old basic bindings but with some new colors. Go for fluxs

Nose Dradamous · 09-27-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nivek

Union does not make a cost effective all mountain binding. To get anything actually stiff enough you have to get either Chargers or MC's.

Get SF45's. Or for other optoins, Flow NX2-AT's, Burton Cartel, K2 Company, or Salomon Hologram.

Hi Kevin. Force actually is a cost effective all mountain binding. It's stiffer than the MC too.

Nice try.

Nivek · 09-27-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nose Dradamous

Hi Kevin. Force actually is a cost effective all mountain binding. It's stiffer than the MC too.

Nice try.

I don't understand where the MC fits into the lineup then. It's softer than the Force, lighter sure, but twice the price? If you want something lighter and softer than the Force wouldn't you just get the Contact Pro's? Which with a toe strap and ratchet change is actually a killer binding.

Same thing with Chargers, I've already been told either by someone here or the rep, I can't remember, that they are softer than the SL's. Which in my experience were softer than Data's, and to my knowledge the frame of the Data is the same as the Force. So from what I know doesn't that make the Charger softer than the Force too?

Also you'll see I'm not the only one here that seems to find a lack of progression with the product. So maybe personal attacks aren't necessary.

Nose Dradamous · 09-27-2012, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nivek

I don't understand where the MC fits into the lineup then. It's softer than the Force, lighter sure, but twice the price? If you want something lighter and softer than the Force wouldn't you just get the Contact Pro's? Which with a toe strap and ratchet change is actually a killer binding.

Same thing with Chargers, I've already been told either by someone here or the rep, I can't remember, that they are softer than the SL's. Which in my experience were softer than Data's, and to my knowledge the frame of the Data is the same as the Force. So from what I know doesn't that make the Charger softer than the Force too?

Also you'll see I'm not the only one here that seems to find a lack of progression with the product. So maybe personal attacks aren't necessary.

Kev, when Union came out, people said our bindings were heavy. So it became a mission to build the lightest binding in the industry. That's where the MC came in.

The MC (Machine Coring)is built to be Unions lightest binding, not to be stiffest. Carbon, machined coring, aluminum hard wear, metafuse and magnesium are all used to build a pair of bindings that weigh less than 3lbs.

Charger has a solid carbon highback and carbon injected base. It is stiff. This binding was built as a no frills carbon highbacked binding thats real responsive.

SL's (Super Light) are MC's built with normal Union materials and aren't $400.

The Force is built on our original baseplate, which is a little beefier than what the above are built on, the Atlas baseplate. When we built the Atlas, goal was to update the Force with increased mobility and to lighten it up. By taking away some of the weight out of the Atlas, it loosed it up a tad and the Force baseplate is still our most responsive.

Hoped that helped Kevin.

Nivek · 09-27-2012, 10:16 PM

I appreciate the insight from the source.

Extremo · 09-28-2012, 12:41 PM

I've ridden both...Union over Flux hands down. Are there other good bindings out there? Of course. But when Union offers everything you need, why fuck around trying out other companies just to end up dissatisfied.

I ride the SL's, Atlas, and Force. Super happy with each of them.

ShredLife · 09-28-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nose Dradamous

Kev, when Union came out, people said our bindings were heavy. So it became a mission to build the lightest binding in the industry. That's where the MC came in.

The MC (Machine Coring)is built to be Unions lightest binding, not to be stiffest. Carbon, machined coring, aluminum hard wear, metafuse and magnesium are all used to build a pair of bindings that weigh less than 3lbs.

Charger has a solid carbon highback and carbon injected base. It is stiff. This binding was built as a no frills carbon highbacked binding thats real responsive.

SL's (Super Light) are MC's built with normal Union materials and aren't $400.

The Force is built on our original baseplate, which is a little beefier than what the above are built on, the Atlas baseplate. When we built the Atlas, goal was to update the Force with increased mobility and to lighten it up. By taking away some of the weight out of the Atlas, it loosed it up a tad and the Force baseplate is still our most responsive.

Hoped that helped Kevin.

your bindings suck. spend some $ on R&D and less on sourcing swag colors for little kids.

ShredLife · 09-28-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Extremo

I've ridden both...Union over Flux hands down. Are there other good bindings out there? Of course. But when Union offers everything you need, why fuck around trying out other companies just to end up dissatisfied.

I ride the SL's, Atlas, and Force. Super happy with each of them.

man, they should start paying you if they don't already.... or send you free crappy bindings at least.

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RightCoastShred Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 104	Unions were great when they came out, but the bindings industry has changed and union has been in a coma ever since. I checked out the 2013s today and they are the same old basic bindings but with some new colors. Go for fluxs

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Extremo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NH Posts: 3,112	I've ridden both...Union over Flux hands down. Are there other good bindings out there? Of course. But when Union offers everything you need, why fuck around trying out other companies just to end up dissatisfied. I ride the SL's, Atlas, and Force. Super happy with each of them.