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Old 10-09-2012, 02:17 AM   #11 (permalink)
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FWIW I rode a pair of NXT-AT flows for 2 years without a single problem. I also had a pair of fastecs (GNU) fail on me day 1. Ratchets are only glued on with fastec.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:29 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The rear entry system looks fast but i bet i will get in my bindings faster.
Id bet boards straight up if you win you take my gear, if I win I take your gear. This is just an un- true statement.

To the OP'er I would stay away from the Gnu. Also I wouldn't purchase any model under a Flow Five.

Once you set them there is rarely a time the entire day that I need to adjust a ratchet. My NXT AT have a gross adjustment and then when you lock the ratchet in place you are able to give it a little extra 1/2 click or lock it right where you have it. I have never had them loosen.

There is a good chance you can find some of the $300 sets for $150 on some of the big sites. That is how I could afford mine 2 years ago.
Like any hardware always inspect your gear before you ride. I have only once and yes it did startle me and could have ended my day, found a screw that needed tightening badly. Again that was once in 2 yrs riding them.

They are not for everyone and as with any gear there are lovers (me) and haters. Just try to make a good informed decision that works for your body type, style of riding, and conditions you ride in.

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Old 10-10-2012, 12:33 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I think if you are new, and don't have an established set of preferences yet, high-end Flow bindings might be fine for you. I say that entirely based on comments people have made on threads I've read here - to be honest, there's a MUCH higher percentage of Flow-users in this forum than in the real world, so pro-Flow statements should be read with caution.
Personally, I thought they were the worst things I've ever had the misfortune to ride (getting "in" quick isn't great if the state of being "in" is a compromise), but it's possible that they were a lower end model. I'll have to ask my buddy - all I know is that Flow shouldn't make low end models that are crap - you want customers to be satisfied and move up, not be disgusted and move on.

If that's the case, then whether the binding is stiff or flexible, the shape of the highback, pretty much everything but strap comfort aren't going to matter to you either - you are just learning what things should feel like. You won't feel like you are losing anything - this will simply be what you become used to.

The GNU bindings were intriguing to me, a girl I ride with who has a Roxy connection rides bindings that are identical to the GNU girls line, and she loved them. She never had to mess with her toe piece, and they held like a 2-strap binding, unlike the Flows.
Unfortunately (for me - I'm more of a park-style rider, at a small resort with all groomed hills), these are all pretty stiff bindings.

You might check out those K2 Cinch CTX bindings though as another option. Someone here mentioned those were not too stiff, compared to the GNU lineup. I was concerned because the frame actuates to facilitate getting in and out, that it might not be quite as responsive if there was any slop that developed in that mechanism over time, but it's worth checking out. I've read lots of online reviews after seeing them in person to see how people felt about them, and most people were enthusiastically positive.
Unfortunately, there aren't many reviews on the GNU bindings.

The GNU bindings are clones of SP bindings - a brand sold in Australia (apparently at a huge premium) and possibly Europe.
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If you search for reviews of those bindings, you'll find more reviews - also mostly enthusiastically positive.

And first, fundamentally - you want to determine what you want. Maybe a stiff binding IS what you want, for your kind of terrain and riding style.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:24 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Geo I've already explained that Flows don't hold you down any less than 2 strap. Its done differently and thus feels differently. If you don't like it that's fine but don't start giving "facts" about a binding that you never got set up right. They "feel" looser and you can dislike that all you want.

The people that choke their ankles are riding a strap that's too soft if they feel they need to tighten down that much to get the response they want. You should not have to do that. Flow's I-Strap is a stiffer breed but being that large and distributing the pressure better means you don't sacrifice the comfort for the strap response. So you don't have to choke down to get energy out of them.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:44 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I own a pair of last years GNU Choice and I actually liked them a lot.

I was looking to go with the speed entry system and looked at all different types before I made my purchase. It came down to GNU and Flow for me and since i had ridden with a toe cap the year before and really loved it, i went with GNU and figured that if they didn't work out I would just get Flows this year.

Out of the box, they do seem like they are a bit tedious to setup, but once you realize what you're looking at, it's actually quite simple. Took me maybe 10 - 15 minutes to get everything set to the right tensions and angles.

Though last year was almost a complete waste, I still got out a good amount and found myself really liking the bindings. I do prefer a stiffer binding, even in the park, and these worked just fine for me. I never had an issue with getting in and out of them at all. I do know what you guys are all talking about with the adjusting of the end cap a lot. I did this a lot in the very beginning of using them, but as i rode them more i realized that the placement of the end cap didn't really matter because of the angle that they come up from the board and then go around the boot. Any lifting of the toe just resulted in the strap pulling down tighter. Towards the end of the year I don't think i had to readjust anything on my bindings at all. I went weeks without so much as tightening an ankle strap. That's pretty significant.

Had the 2013 Flows with the new system that includes the end caps been out at the time I may have gone with them, but they weren't, so I didn't. I'm happy with the Choice and will ride them again this year as long as nothing breaks out of nowhere.

Hopefully one of my friends will get the new Flows and I can compare.

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Old 10-16-2012, 12:19 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I have owned both the GNU (two years old) and the FLOW NXT AT (from last year). Even with the opening strap of the GNU, I preferred the FLOW. Much more solid construction.

The GNU's were good too, solid aluminum baseplate was nice, but the straps seemed flimsy. After a couple of hours the auto opening strap started sticking.

I've also tried the Cinch, which I didn't get along with. The tighter you have your straps, the harder they are to open and close, among other issues.

Much preferred the feel of the Flow's. With the new Flow strap technology I can't see a case for buying either the GNU's or the Cinch's.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:32 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I agree - these Flow bindings shown in the video here look really intriguing... seems to address what shortcomings Flow bindings have traditionally had, and looks like they've actually got something that 2-strap traditional binding riders can actually get along with - and add the benefits that the GNU and K2 Cinch bindings previously had over the flows:

http://www.snowboardingforum.com/bin...ew-2013-a.html

I'd like to try a pair myself... and I've not liked my Flow binding experiences in the past. These ones I think I'd even like.
But there's a lot new in there too... the skeptic in me thinks he'll check them out in 2014 after a year to mature.
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And by 2014 you can come to terms with, as well as save up the
THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS that these bindings cost.
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:35 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I see tons of Flows on the mountains. I always assumed they were just for the rubes and tourons, until I read this forum all up. Turns out plenty of serious riders like em too. It's fairly agreed that K2 and GNU are well behind the game in this tech as well.
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Old 10-22-2012, 08:04 PM   #20 (permalink)
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with the 2013 line of flows out, i would have to say flows. those nx2's look and should function awsome.
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