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Changing glued in bindings?

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#1 ·
Hey guys.

Last year I bought some new bindings and the shop offered to put them on. I guess they used locktight or something cause I cant get them out. I didnt realize until i'd stripped most of the screws. How do i go about getting the bindings off without ruining them, or the board theyre attached too?

Thanks
 
#32 ·
Go ahead and ignore most of the arguing in this thread.

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I have tried all of these methods in a lot of different scenarios. I work on motorcycles and small engines on the side.

Using the dermal to cut into the screw is not a bad idea, but I have a better one.

Using a impact wrench (electric or air) is also not a bad idea. The problem is this though:
Impact drivers are meant to implement a high amount of direct torque to free a bolt. Obviously no one is talking about using an air tool to do this, but think of it like that, 300-600lbs of torque on a screw head that will most likely snap off at about 30lbs of over tightening will probably break with the loctite, especially is applied quickly.​

I am surprised I have not seen this suggested in this thread yet, ever heard of an EZ- out kit? Drill the screw out!

You do not need to use an expensive extractor, you can get these tools for five dollars at your hardware store. You only need two, a drill bit, and a square bit, The bit needs to be SLIGHLT smaller then the square bit.

You will use the bit to drill a hole straight into the screw, then hammer the square bit into the hole, creating a square hole out of the round one, and forcing the bit in place.

Leave the bit in, do not remove it. If you have an easy on/off attachment I would use that with the drill because now you have to get the drill onto the square bit which is still connected to the screw and board. Do not wiggle the bit or it will come free. Try to get the bit as deep as possible.


Put the drill in reverse and apply a tight tiger, do NOT use it like a torque wrench, you will strip the head again assuming it is an aluminum screw.

It should come free. If not, you can try a torque wrench at this point, and if that further strips it, a true east out drill extraction kit. (Reverse drill bit)

Here is a square drill bit, I would look for one with a bit more length on the actual bit.

 
#34 ·
Bolt heads strip out with very little torque if there is not enough downward pressure on the tool, basic mechanics. Our shop has literally hundreds of bolts with stripped out heads that have NEVER seen any loc-tite. I wouldn't assume that the board has been loc-tited, no reputable shop would ever do that for multiple reasons. I agree with what was posted previously that if they did use loc-tite don't ever let that shop touch your equipment again. Any shop with kids stupid enough to use loc-tite probably has a problem with repair/tech work in general.

Heat is not your board's friend and should be avoided at ALL COSTS. As was stated above it takes around 500 degrees to break down red loc-tite, epoxy also breaks down at these temperatures. Epoxy resin holds your board together and helps keep your inserts from spinning. Not to mention the fact that heating the screw will damage the disc holding the binding to the board.

Impact drivers aren't really that much better of a solution. Too much torque on the seized peices can work the inserts loose and allow them to spin. Be carefull with using a hammer also. The downward force can easily break the epoxy loose and allow spinning or worse it could push the entire assembly through the core and bubble the base. Ignore what a gunsmith tells you, he is working with components much stronger and resilient than the wood and epoxy core of your typical snowboard. In the battle between wood and metal, metal wins every time.

First advice, take it to a shop that knows what the heck they doing. If you are the DIY type, doubtfull as you let someone else set up your board already, slot the head with a dremel or use an easy out kit. If the screw head still strips out at that point then cut away the discs and get the binding off the board, discs are the cheapest part of your set-up to replace. Once the bolts are exposed you will be able to tell if the shop used loc-tite. If there is no loc-tite the bolt should turn out fairly easily.
 
#36 ·
Okay. Im gonna skip over the all the bickering here. The guys at the Source weren't dumb enought to use red loctite, just the blue stuff. I just heated up the screwdriver with the torch, put it in the head for a little then turned. Screws came out. Thanks for all the advice and now ive got bindings on my new board.
 
#39 ·
Ya, I had a feeling there wouldn't be any red loctite in there.

It was never stated that there was loctite on the screws, but thanks for the lesson.:thumbsdown:

Snowwolf, just because someone disagrees with your opinion, doesn't mean that theirs is wrong & that yours is automatically right.
But I'm sure you'd disagree with me on that too, so obviously I must be wrong?:cheeky4:(this means it's a joke) I really don't want to have to write that after every :cheeky4: that I post.



You seem to have got a little but hurt, no need for temper tantrums.

So it looks like shedhead, doesn't have the best solution

Chalk one up for Slyder & Tim Tim.

I'm not seein' the hate in there anywhere, + I don't know if you want a pissing match with someone with piss-menship like this?
Untitled on Vimeo.

I'd pee a Z across your chest before you could even get your diaper off. :eek::cheeky4:

I'm actually pretty careful, considering the shit I do. If I wasn't, I would have died long ago.

Shredhead, it's just cause you have a vagina that you see the things I do as retarded. So wash the sand out of that thing:cheeky4:
They're not self cleaning ovens you know!!:eek:

Sometimes my extremely large balls are a little too big though, so I should be able to lend you @ least 1.

Hugs & kisses
TT
 
#40 ·
Listen, there was no call for your prickish, condescending tone here when my response was civil and courteous. No one other than YOU is trying to look like an internet expert and now because someone DARED to disagree with you you write and angry response like an asshurt 12 year old sheila. I did not reply to your post with disrespect or vitriol like a little cunt, you did. I guess you lack the inteligence to actually have a disagreement in a civil repectful manner.

The method I advised works and YES shops do in fact do this. Not only that, but gunsmiths use the exact same method to remove a part (usually a scope) that had Loctite or some other adhesive used. Heat damages bluing so you have to be as careful as when working with skis or snowboards.

You obviously are either too impressed with yourself to read what others write or you have a reading comprehension problem. No one advocated going ape shit with a torch, rather heating the shaft of the screwdriver and using it at a low setting quickly. That isnt "back tracking" it is giving the guy the procedure on how to do it without risking damage.

Oh wow, you have snowboarded longer than I have been alive, well DILIYGAF?

If you cannot engage people in a civil respectful manner, your time here will be very short lived.....;)

By the way, it seems that the heat method workd just fine for the guy!
Hey - pot, that kettle is looking pretty black.
I don't think "Oh, so you've worked at a shop?" could be interpreted as anything but prickish and condescending. Don't accuse me of that - I responded.

Further, I actually explained the logic on WHY what you said was risky and unprofessional, and if he used that method and it worked for him, it doesn't make it any less so.
I was looking out for his best interest by pointing out the risks. That certainly doesn't make me uncivil.

If you are going to make threats to people who post on behalf of people's best interest, that's pretty immature (that's a judgement on my part) and very inappropriate (that's objective) for someone who's in a position of being a moderator. Call all that "my opinion" and do with it what you like.
Like it or not, you are a moderator. There's responsibility in that. You've got a higher standard to adhere to (I'm a moderator myself on an engineering forum,and an automotive forum). Your personally challenging comment that I responded to was inappropriate by that measure, and certainly had disrespect and vitriol - as does this:
I guess you lack the inteligence
It's "intelligence" btw.

I apologize for my reaction, if that came through stronger than the points I made. Certainly there was some reaction there.
 
#41 ·
WTF?

Where are you getting this from? I gave advice and posted some techniques and disagreed with another`s adivce and for that you claim I am butthurt or having tantrums yet look at the way this guy eresponded to me.....:dunno:

Besides, did you not get that my comment about you setting yourself on fire was a joke?????

Maybe you need the emoticon too there buddy.

And by the way, are you going to now chastize Shredlife because this ewarrior wants to impress us all with how much of an expert he is and attacked him too? I think its pretty clear who is butthurt and who is having a temper tantrum over someone having an opinion that differs. You did`nt see me write a post like this:



Bottom line dude is this. I pass on what I know, people are free to take it or leave it but if they say I am wrong, I am not going to just go "Oh okay youre right" out of fear of being disagreeable. When I know I am right and have the facts, I am going to stand up for it and not back down. If you weeping cunts can`t handle that, then go the fuck away and join another forum.
I too will never back down if I believe I'm right.
You might have been right if there was loctite on the screw, it was never stated that there was though.
So you didn't know the facts. You just assumed you did:dunno:. That makes you wrong.

I would agree you shouldn't back down, if you know the facts.

Not backing down when you don't know the facts though, could get you in trouble one day.

Especially when you kids like to play with guns so much down there.

TT
 
#48 ·
You are essentially correct but that is just a part of the whole equation. It's an old machinist's trick. You heat a bolt and yes it expands faster than the surrounding metal so yes, initially it gets tighter. The bolt also cools faster; especially if you actively cool in with cutting oil or even water. Now it contracts faster than surrounding metal and momentarily becomes looser than it was.

That's for metal to metal contact but in the case of a bolt or screw that has any adhesive materil whether it's red or blue loctite, permatex, glue, whatever, heat makes these materials more pliable and at relatively low heat too.

In this guy's case, his waxing iron would be hot enough provided he could get it inside the binding to hold to the screw head.
I have done the hole heating before to loosen a bolt but have always done it by heating the outside area instead of the bolt. I have done it on bolts with and without loctite. Heating the bolt then trying to cool it faster does make sense when I think about it. I just never have done it that way or had to.
 
#49 ·
Not a moderator pal, Im an Admin. I handle technical aspects of the forum. The mods are the E police here. I am just a tech guy so get off your lecturing high horse about "my repsonsibilities as a moderator" your`e barking up the wrong tree......;)
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My question about "so you have worked in a shop?" was a legitimate question. I cant help it if you took THAT personally and found it offensive. You need a little thicker hide I suspect if you took offense to that.
Gotcha, gotcha.

Lecturing high horse is way, way more accurate than taking offense. It's a whole new world today... I don't take offense. My 17 year old nephew said to me a couple years back when I tried to get him into skateboarding "I'm not one of those skateboard jocks". What a 180. Bizzarro world. My world is the punk rock one I grew up in, when you couldn't ride snowboards at resorts, when you had to run from the cops or get your skateboards confiscated.
And the guys I stood up for were the ones getting bullied by others. We rallied together to a common cause. It's a good feeling.

I see that happening on forums like these all the time. Elitists who have cred by virtue of being keyboard commandos. So I legitimately apologize if I pegged you as one of those - when someone comes at someone with the implication of "I'm better than you", that rubs me the wrong way. I'm more than glad to turn a scenario around so that the person trying to make someone else look like a fool -looks like a fool. Some people legitimately need to be put in their place to get their feet back on the ground and head out of the clouds. Especially forums where people looking for advice (who are inherently vulnerable) are trying to find answers. Advice is valuable.

So again - I apologize for coming off aggressive. I thought I had reason to... and then was a little doubly taken aback when I saw "admin" and thought "moderator". Lecturing high horse - guilty as charged. :D
 
#51 ·
[/QUOTE]DILLIGAF?[/QUOTE]

Ahh.. Yes, very much so.

Have you ever thought about writing fiction novels? You think I'm joking, but don't overlook it.

Our story begins here...
Slyder posted the Dremel slot tip, couple posts later I agreed with his suggestion, coincidentally I had just done this exact thing about a week before.

(cue dramatic music) Then it was actually the big bad Snowolf who came "rampaging into a thread like a bull declaring all other positions as wrong"
Declaring Sir shredsalot to be the chosen one. "That is the law" he stated.

Someone disagreed with your method of taking a blow torch to your board. (lol, I'm sure steam just came out your ears)

I took that opportunity for some Tomfoolery
So I figured I'd tease ya a bit, I know how much you love that:rolleyes:

WTF? is right!!! How do you get this...

[/QUOTE]Then, when I DARE to not back down and just say, " You're right[/QUOTE]

From this...
So it looks like shedhead, doesn't have the best solution.

Never said MY way was right, just that your way might not be the best way.

Even that slight bit of teasing pushed you over the edge.

This is so hypocritical, it's hard to believe it's actually from this thread.
[/QUOTE]If you cannot engage people in a civil respectful manner, your time here will be very short lived.....[/QUOTE]

You then go on calling people pricks & weeping cunts & whiny cunts & more cunts.

I said Sir shredsalot had a vagina & that I believed he had gotten sand in it.:(
Being a caring person, I suggested cleaning it out might relieve some of the irritation:), because they are not self cleaning ovens you know..

This next statement is so out of wack, it's like you were reading a different book.
I like how you throw the fictional "quote" in there, it makes the story way more believable.

I am totally cool with someone disagreeing and saying they think their method is better. But don't come rampaging into a thread like a bull declaring all other positions as wrong and then telling someone that "no shop would ever do that"



Have you ever heard the term "Respect is earned not given"

Get off your high horse. Treat people with the respect you demand.

[/QUOTE]If you cannot engage people in a civil respectful manner, your time here will be very short lived.....[/QUOTE]

You have been the most disrespectful person in this thread, I don't see anybody calling other people cunts but you.

Everyone thinks you're awesome but you're starting to think you're a bit to awesome.

TT

I still think you're awesome, bit of a spaz, but still pretty awesome.;)
 
#53 ·
blah blah blah
Can you please quote for me where he said "YOU ARE ALL WRONG, YOU SHALT NOT DEFY ME" cause honestly I never read that. Did he say he thought shred had the best method? Yea. He may have even said it was MORE LIKELY that the head of the screw would snap off if the screw is lodged in there tight enough from loctite(since the title of the thread is about bindings being glued in)but I didn't read anywhere him saying any other way was futile and pointless as it seems to be your main point.
 
#57 ·
Awesome thread guys!
I seriously just laughed my ass off at the name calling and one liners weaved within its posts. An arguement on the interwebz hurts nobody and brings joy to people all around the world.
There should be an awards night once a year where we hand out trophies to all the dicks, fuckwits and bitches who make up this forum! I would love to go and get blind fucking drunk and make an ass of myself.
 
#59 ·
I agree, it's all just entertainment.

If somehow we could pull off an awards night it would be spectacular.

What would the categories be? Someone should make a list & we'll start nominating!

Oh, the fun continues...

TT
 
#61 ·
Please do...:thumbsup:

I think it's a deadly idea, with the potential to be a big hit.:D

That thread would never die & keep people amused for hours.:laugh:

:cheeky4:Bring on the trolls!!:cheeky4:

TT
 
#64 ·
Too many nominees in that category - lots of shit gets posted on this forum (in addition to the truly helpful/entertaining/informative stuff), but I would not discriminate against anybody on that basis. They board, so chances are they are good people...
 
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