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Old 10-15-2012, 10:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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That being said - I understand Forum is owned by Burton, I wonder how much of the components that I like are shared between them? At a glance at a local shop, the ratchets seem as nice as the Burton ratchets.
What wait.... When did this happen??
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What wait.... When did this happen??
I dunno when, but when I called Burton for disks a few weeks ago, they sent me some Forum ones too. And the kid mentioned that it is their company, so I can at least verify.
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Old 10-16-2012, 05:07 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Forum is intriguing to me also....
I've been a longtime Burton binding fan, but I've always been so-so on ankle strap comfort. I'm tempted to try the asym straps on the Custom Restricteds, but I've heard mixed things on those as well. And I'm feeling a little sketchy on the re:flex bases... I love the concept, but the base components (pads) felt flimsy and I'm unsure how they'd hold up over time.

That being said - I understand Forum is owned by Burton, I wonder how much of the components that I like are shared between them? At a glance at a local shop, the ratchets seem as nice as the Burton ratchets.
I have 2012 Burton Cartel restricted Re:flex, 2012 Malavita EST, 2012 Forum Shaka, and 2012 Forum Factions. The Factions have the cheapest retail of all the bindings (although I paid between 120-150 for all of them new) and they feel more solid than either Burton pair. When I say solid I mean build quality and materials. They are aluminum and plastic, unlike the completely plastic Burtons. I think the materials used on the Forum bindings will make them last longer. I also don't like the reflex base plate, it feels cheaper than Forum's Good Vibes disk.

I like Burton's Asymmetric strap on both the Restricted Cartel and the Malavita. The Shaka has this also and it is equally good. The bubbler strap on the Factions is actually really good too, especially for the bindings being a lower end of the price scale. I have some Union Atlas and Contact Pro too. I think they all have pretty good ankle straps. So you really can't lose with any of these.

I'll just share this too. The toe straps work on all six pairs of bindings I have, I think the Burton toe caps are amazing, the Forum toe caps work pretty well too, and the Unions work ok they may just take some adjusting depending on the kind of boot and the size of your foot.
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Old 10-16-2012, 05:20 AM   #14 (permalink)
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burton, anon, red, analog, gravis, forum, alien workshop

"In 2008, the snowboard equipment industry had grown to $487 million.[4] Burton had 4070% of these sales"
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I just got a pair of this years Ride El Hefe's, the ankle strap looks really good.

It's has a really dense foam pad with cloth material on the boot side. They are really thin & streamlined, & look like they would be super comfy. They are completely seamless & look as though the foam was molded onto/around the cloth.

But it also looks like they would get scratched up maybe, I don't know I may be wrong?

Not comfort related, but for convenience.
There is also a weird hinge thing on the strap that is supposed to keep the strap out of the way when it's undone. Don't know how well it would work, but in theory I like the idea.

I also just got a pair of Ride EX's, the EX's strap doesn't look that much different from every other kind of ankle strap, the El Hefe's strap just looks ten times better.

But for $400+tax, you should @ least get a hand job while riding the chairlift. Incorporate that into a binding & you got yourself a winner.

But I have never used any Ride binders before.
Looking good & working well are two completely different things.

We'll see shortly though...

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A long time ago... like 2005?

Ride owns K2.
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In answer to the OP here, I will compare more closely the burton restricted asym strap to the strap on my k2 Uprises in the coming weeks, but the hinge on the k2 ankle straps should never go unmentioned, and should be stolen somehow by everyone. That feature is simple as fuck and money.
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In answer to the OP here, I will compare more closely the burton restricted asym strap to the strap on my k2 Uprises in the coming weeks, but the hinge on the k2 ankle straps should never go unmentioned, and should be stolen somehow by everyone. That feature is simple as fuck and money.
I actually checked out the K2 Hurrithanes at a local Dicks in the mall while I was wandering the other day - I did think they looked like a damn comfy bindng, I even took one down and stepped into it. Looked packed with features for a super cheap price... the ones I checked out were only $140.
A local shop carries K2, so I may just take another look at them.

I've been hesitant to really look at K2's mainly because I have Ride bindings now, and I've been disappointed by their comfort and the one buckle plastic cracked... I don't mean that as an unfair generalization, but rather disappointment doesn't (and I don't believe ever should) lead someone to being a repeat customer... and their relationship makes me suspect. It's even unclear to me which brand is positioned to be the higher end.
...My engine grenading twice while under warranty won't likely lead me to buy another Hyundai, even thought they've supposedly improved and improved and improved since. Same thought, it's principles.
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Ride owns K2.
That's backwards. K2 bought Ride.
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burton, anon, red, analog, gravis, forum, alien workshop

"In 2008, the snowboard equipment industry had grown to $487 million.[4] Burton had 4070% of these sales"
I new burton owned those other brands just not forum.
Also in Burton's sales something like 80% of their sales no longer have anything to do with snowboarding. One of the reasons burton drives me nuts. There is nothing I hate more than seeing someone in a burton hoodie/t-shirt/jacket and asking them where they ride to hear the reply "I don't ski or snowboard, I just thought it looked cool at ______" (insert sporting goods store)
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A long time ago... like 2005?

Ride owns K2.
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K2 owns Ride not vice versa
Didn't know quick owned murvin.
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