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Old 10-23-2012, 02:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm getting Burton Ion boots and either a Never Summer heritage or a Lib Tech Travis Rice Pro. Which bindings will be a better choice? I mostly ride groomers and take the occasional jump. I've not very familiar with the terms like free riding and freestyle, etc. There is a lot of hard pack so I carve a lot.

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Old 10-24-2012, 11:16 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Can't really go wrong with either.

Freeride = I like to go fast and carve down the mountain. You want stiff bindings for this.

Freestyle = I like to hit jumps and spend time in the park. You want softer bindings for this.


Targas are very customizable in that you can change out the inserts in the ankle strap to make it soft, medium, or stiff.

Cartels are obviously good too, or else T.Rice wouldn't ride them on his Lib.
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Cartels are obviously good too, or else T.Rice wouldn't ride them on his Lib.

I also like Cartels but I wouldn't be suprised if T.Rice used rubberbands and scotchtape it would probably look like he was fused to his board compared to the rest of us.
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Can't really go wrong with either.

Freeride = I like to go fast and carve down the mountain. You want stiff bindings for this.

Freestyle = I like to hit jumps and spend time in the park. You want softer bindings for this.


Targas are very customizable in that you can change out the inserts in the ankle strap to make it soft, medium, or stiff.

Cartels are obviously good too, or else T.Rice wouldn't ride them on his Lib.
T-Rice is riding Union now

But yeah, before that he rode Cartels for a long time. They're solid bindings. I think I would give an edge to the Targas though, more customizeable.
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2013 Cartels are supposedly softer than in years past, the it still has its "7" flex rating as it always has.

If you KNOW you are carving a lot now and will focus on only that --> get a stiff binding, 7 or higher on the 1-9 flex scale. If you want to do anything else and keep on working on jumps/try to diversify your riding style, get something on the mid-stiff side, like the Genesis (6). Problem with super stiff bindings on jumps is the slightest miscalculation in posture/body movement can make your take-off all wonky since the bindings are so responsive. Same goes for stiff boots.

I ride Ions with my Lib T. Rice pro and I have Burton Prophecy bindings, which have been discontinued for the Genesis bindings. Perfect blend of jumping and carving ability IMO. Not so hot for boxes and rails.
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I had both last season, tried the Targas and then sold them when I got the Cartels. I'm not too into the customisation that the Targas offered. I'd rather board than tinker.

If the latest model are softer as reports seem to indicate I may have stuck with the Targas.

I really like the big stiff high back on my Cartels.

Metal V Plastic if you have a preference?

*Just to add there wasn't much in it, colour even played a part in my final choice.

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[QUOTE=BigmountainVMD;530616]2013 Cartels are supposedly softer than in years past, the it still has its "7" flex rating as it always has.

If you KNOW you are carving a lot now and will focus on only that --> get a stiff binding, 7 or higher on the 1-9 flex scale. If you want to do anything else and keep on working on jumps/try to diversify your riding style, get something on the mid-stiff side, like the Genesis (6). Problem with super stiff bindings on jumps is the slightest miscalculation in posture/body movement can make your take-off all wonky since the bindings are so responsive. Same goes for stiff boots.



Your setup is very similar to the one I was planning on buying. I am definitely getting ion boots and I was leaning towards the cartel bindings. For the board I'm stuck between the Travis rice and the never summer heritage. Your riding style is very similar to mine as well. Have you tried the heritage?
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I have not tried the NS Heritage. I own a NS Proto CT and that's what I do most of my riding on since, due to the crap last season, I've been in the park a bunch more. I only ride the T. Rice on days where there is no park and I know I'll be riding groomers ALL DAY or when there is a big dump and I want to shred pow or hit some cliffs or steeps.

The Proto carves pretty good for a blunt tipped park (jump) oriented board. If you think you may be getting more in to jumps, I would recommend the NS SL over the Heritage. The Heritage and T. Rice are good for bigger jumps, and are designed with big backcountry booters in mind, but if you are just getting in to jumps, the SL will make takeoffs and landings easier/smoother and will keep you just as happy in the carving department.

NS has great damping in its boards, so I find you can generally go a bit softer flex wise with their line. This meaning that if you want something in the 7ish flex range (like the T. Rice) you want a stable board for speed/carving. The NS damping is great at speed, so if you want to jump more, then go with something a bit more flexible, like the SL.

In addition, I really dislike the T. Rice in the trees. Since it is so stiff and longer than my Proto by 4.5 cm, it can be a pain to turn in the trees/moguls. The least couple cm love to catch on everything. The shorter and more flexible Proto is much easier to ride in the trees, another reason I tend to ride that board more.

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2013 Cartels are supposedly softer than in years past, the it still has its "7" flex rating as it always has.

I ride Ions with my Lib T. Rice pro and I have Burton Prophecy bindings, which have been discontinued for the Genesis bindings. Perfect blend of jumping and carving ability IMO. Not so hot for boxes and rails.
Actually, the highback on the cartels stiffened considerably in 2012. From 2011 and back for 5 or 6 years (i forget exactly) it was the same stiffness.
In 2013 the highback is essentially the same but has 3% more torsional flex than 2012.

and dude, how on earth can a binding be good for jumping and carving but not good for boxes and rails??? What exactly happens on a box? You ollie on and flex a press and ollie off. What's with the prophecy's that is deficient for this???
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I owned and ridden both in freeride situations (no park). I like them both, but the targas were so heavy in comparison to the cartels, I sold them.
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