Malavitas or Union Forces? - Page 10 - Snowboarding Forum

phony_stark · 11-09-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Alkasquawlik

yup, gearwhore-ness has it's downfalls.

Although, I could take a page out of Nivek's book and claim some shit to make myself seem more popular on SBF, but I'd rather not.

Like I said, enjoy your Arcteryx.

Bro, Nivek is already on that misty 2014 shit. Copped a quick photo

He says it runs a little bigger on him than on his rep (pictured), but he's gonna make it work.

Leo · 11-09-2012, 01:35 PM

I only know Johan from his rude comments in my Union force review. To the point where even mocked me in his forum signature in this forum. I returned the favor.

The thing is, as I pointed out, he crossed the line when he brought this up in my work email. This is my personal account. Yes, I had a signature with my employer's site before, but with a disclosure that I don't represent the company. Johan on the other hand DOES represent Union.

We supposedly squashed our silly beef in that email exchange. Only to have smart ass remarks made at me at the following test fest.

Does any of this honestly sound cool to you? Am I going up to the Union tent and bringing up some Internet beef between me and Johan? Am I talking shit about him behind his back at test fest? No.

While he might be the coolest broseph at EL, he sure wasn't here.

And like I said, I call BS on his contest intent. But regardless of that intent, the end result is the same. There's now a bunch of trash talking between EL and SBF members.

Not a very effective way of educating riders if you ask me.

david_z · 11-09-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Alkasquawlik

Johan's whole rationale for this "contest" was to encourage members from EL who are either pro-Union or have had solid, positive experiences on their bindings to come to SBF to provide an opposite viewpoint to the vocal minority that is vehemently against C3.

Well yeah that's what he said but that was a pretty lame attempt to defend a "contest" that by all outward appearances was designed to threadjack as many threads and as often as possible by as many EL users as possible (which of course is a violation of TOS on every forum in the known interverseweb). Encouraging such behavior is childish and the shitstorm of eDick-swinging that resulted from this "contest" were as predictable as gravity so frankly nobody from EL or C3 has any legitimate gripe about this forum's (negative) reaction to this "contest" (or, insofar as that negative vibe spills over to EL or C3 generally).

I get that he may feel a certain way about the content generated at this forum (even if I don't necessarily agree), and I get that maybe he's trying, in some way, to make it better or to improve the quality of discourse at SBF, but like I mentioned yesterday this "contest" is a really, really shitty & immature way to go about trying to remedy that perceived problem.

phony_stark · 11-09-2012, 01:43 PM

Leo and Dave,

Leo, sorry, you had a bad experience, I don't know him personally, but I think at the tent he was just taking the piss out of you.

I have to disagree with the contest intent. So far, the only results of this contest, have (when not presented with "resistance" from a very small group of people) been positive. A lot of members who needed help setting up bindings, buying boots, boards, etc. were helped by more active members on EL. All while staying on topic...the only people who have veered things off topic have been the more active members of this board. You can look, aside from making fun and throwing a dubious eye on skichalletshack I have been on topic in every thread I've posted in. I can't say the same for some members who had to be constantly reminded to contribute to the thread instead of making attacks.

Which reminds me... Shredlife, which bindings do you prefer?

matty19 · 11-09-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ShredLife

no that diatribe was to your little buddies.

they do not use the same face fabrics. period. the sabre line and more of the newer stuff is cut more with an "on resort/i never have to wear a harness or a backpack" kind of a look.

volcom's gore is nothing like Arc' everything from V has liners: pointless in a gore hardshell. they're also sub-par construction compared to Arc' - hell even Mt. Hardware is...

airblaster???

come on dude.

if all you do is ride resorts and you buy or get kicked new gear every year or two then i can see why you're fine with it.

when/if you start riding backcountry, camping in the snow in tents or in snowcaves, hiking for lines, and living in your gear you will realize what i'm talking about.
Trew, HomeSchool (sorta), AK (sub-par construction to Arc') LINERLESS shells are about the only thing coming close to a 'snowboard' company trying to compete with Arc'

I like my airblaster stuff. It's fun and playful - just like snowboarding.

When I ride in the side/back country, I don't sleep in snow caves or live in my gear. That's not my scene at this point. I've got too many other things going on in my life.

I don't get my gear for free. I have gotten a few hook-ups in the past, for which I was SUPER appreciative, but almost everything that I'm currently using I spend my hard-earned $$$ on.

For my type of riding (in and out of bounds, hiking, lots of pow) I have had the best experiences with jackets that have features designed to keep snow out (thumb loops, pow cuffs, jacket-pants interfaces) and pants that work well with snowboard boots and allow for a full range of movement. In my experience, Arcteryx is too expensive and aimed more at mountaineering. That's just one man's opinion, though.

**killclimbz** · 11-09-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by matty19

Is any of this aimed at me?

I'm not the one who started riding two years ago. I started riding almost 27 years ago. There were some breaks in there, and I may not have a lifestyle that allows me to ride more than a couple of days a week, but I get my days in. I'm not going pro or anything, but I'm happy with my 90%.

Arcteryx doesn't make "hands down" anything (except maybe one of the most expensive options on the market). They make seam-welded gore-tex outerwear. So do a bunch of other companies. Same fabrics. Same laminates. For my money, the jackets have a fit that's too short in the body, and the pants have cuffs that are a little snog to comfortably get over my boots. If they work for you, that's great. I have a few different pieces of outerwear, but I'm really liking the stuff from Airblaster and Volcom lately. they fit my tall frame, and the price and construction are in line with what works best for me. I ride primarily in the PNW, so waterproofing and breathability are a big deal.

Is this the part where your opinion enables you to belittle mine?

Your Arcteryx complaint actually made me laugh. Not at you because I literally have the same problem. Not athletic cut enough aka too big around the middle. Sound familiar? You'd think I wasn't a splitboarder. Fat tubby bitch I am.

Regardless, Arcteryx stuff does hold up much better than almost any snowboard companies outerwear. Same thing with Mountain Hardware stuff. I've got a MH softshell jacket that is over 6 years old, and it's still more than functional. A couple of snowboard jackets I tried, didn't last much more than a season. I've got some Homeschool stuff I am trying. So far the jacket is solid and may actually be another long lasting piece. Which is good to see.

So I don't blame shred for going Arcteryx. If it fits, it will last. For those of us built a bit more sturdy, might not be the right gear. Nothing works if it don't fit though. Just like boots.

I also think there is a gold mine of information here for Union. Even if it hasn't been presented in the best of form. The type of stuff that can help take a company next level actually. It's all there.

Watch the trash talk on this please. Everyone is allowed to disagree, right or wrong. I'd rather not kill this thread.

david_z · 11-09-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by phony_stark

Leo and Dave,

So far, the only results of this contest, ... have (when not presented with "resistance" from a very small group of people) been positive.

Yeah this is nothing against you (thanks for being mature about everything) and you're right it has not been all bad and certainly there are members on this forum who have played right in to their hand , but what i'm saying is that this was a predictable outcome of the "contest" (which has now been mysteriously disappeared from EL).

phony_stark · 11-09-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by david_z

Yeah this is nothing against you (thanks for being mature about everything) and you're right it has not been all bad and certainly there are members on this forum who have played right in to their hand , but what i'm saying is that this was a predictable outcome of the "contest" (which has now been mysteriously disappeared from EL).

No Mystery. Contest and its thread where removed by request from 'Climbz. EL & Johan agreed.

I still think the predictable outcome was

Someone asks about Unions
-One of three or so people on this board was like "They Suck"
-Someone who rides unions regularly disagrees
-Thread gets jacked. OP is not given any additional information about their topic, unless they were also curious as to Nivek's blog credits, who is possibly gay or, in real life, some kind of penis, or how COAR a member is.

Which, if you look at history, (at least mine) predates the contest by about a year.....probably more.

Johan thought this needed to stop, other members who use both boards agreed. Maybe the contest wasn't the best idea, but it has HOPEFULLY caused a paradigm shift on this board, where more than one idea, opinion, can be welcome.

Edit: Sorry Nivek for making fun of you, it was out of line and had nothing to do with the topic of gear. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings.

matty19 · 11-09-2012, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killclimbz

Your Arcteryx complaint actually made me laugh. Not at you because I literally have the same problem. Not athletic cut enough aka too big around the middle. Sound familiar? You'd think I wasn't a splitboarder. Fat tubby bitch I am.

Regardless, Arcteryx stuff does hold up much better than almost any snowboard companies outerwear. Same thing with Mountain Hardware stuff. I've got a MH softshell jacket that is over 6 years old, and it's still more than functional. A couple of snowboard jackets I tried, didn't last much more than a season. I've got some Homeschool stuff I am trying. So far the jacket is solid and may actually be another long lasting piece. Which is good to see.

So I don't blame shred for going Arcteryx. If it fits, it will last. For those of us built a bit more sturdy, might not be the right gear. Nothing works if it don't fit though. Just like boots.

I also think there is a gold mine of information here for Union. Even if it hasn't been presented in the best of form. The type of stuff that can help take a company next level actually. It's all there.

Watch the trash talk on this please. Everyone is allowed to disagree, right or wrong. I'd rather not kill this thread.

My issue with the Arcteryx fit is more about length than volume. I'm pretty tough on gear, but I've had pretty good performance from the Airblaster, Burton, and Volcom pieces that I've tried.

As a pnw rider, I've been really curious about Homeschool. Unfortunately their XL stuff isn't long enough for me.

I agree on the durability of some of the Mountain Hardwear stuff. I've got a five or six year old Gore Pro shell from them, and a ten+ year old rain shell (can't remember the laminate). The Columbia Sportswear merger/buyout doesn't seem to have too badly impacted the quality. Still, the cuffs on their pants are too tight to work well with snowboard boots (for me), and the jackets are too short in both the arms and the body to work well for riding (for me). Great stuff for backpacking and snowshoeing, though!

I don't think that I've been doing much trash talking at this point. Just trying to respond to some occasional posturing with attempts at reason and honest reflection when possible.

sabatoa · 11-09-2012, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by david_z

Yeah this is nothing against you (thanks for being mature about everything) and you're right it has not been all bad and certainly there are members on this forum who have played right in to their hand , but what i'm saying is that this was a predictable outcome of the "contest" (which has now been mysteriously disappeared from EL).

From EL:

nose-dradamous said:

Contest is officially over!
Just asked Parker to pull this whole thing down out of respect to "killclimbz" at SBF.
Awareness was raised, info was given, said clowns were called out, everyone kept it classy...all for a pair of bindings.
Very very impressed at the call to arms action from everyone and very thankful. So a heartfelt thank you from myself (my name is Johan by the way, I don't post anonymously) and from C3.
PM me your votes for the member most deserving, also the dudes that were obvious front runners, send me your best link.
Your still welcome to drop by SBF to contribute positive, educated opinions.
Thanks again, made this week a smile fest.
Now back to the normal business at hand...

11-09-2012, 01:35 PM	#92 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,212	I only know Johan from his rude comments in my Union force review. To the point where even mocked me in his forum signature in this forum. I returned the favor. The thing is, as I pointed out, he crossed the line when he brought this up in my work email. This is my personal account. Yes, I had a signature with my employer's site before, but with a disclosure that I don't represent the company. Johan on the other hand DOES represent Union. We supposedly squashed our silly beef in that email exchange. Only to have smart ass remarks made at me at the following test fest. Does any of this honestly sound cool to you? Am I going up to the Union tent and bringing up some Internet beef between me and Johan? Am I talking shit about him behind his back at test fest? No. While he might be the coolest broseph at EL, he sure wasn't here. And like I said, I call BS on his contest intent. But regardless of that intent, the end result is the same. There's now a bunch of trash talking between EL and SBF members. Not a very effective way of educating riders if you ask me. __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

11-09-2012, 01:43 PM	#94 (permalink)
phony_stark Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 488	Leo and Dave, Leo, sorry, you had a bad experience, I don't know him personally, but I think at the tent he was just taking the piss out of you. I have to disagree with the contest intent. So far, the only results of this contest, have (when not presented with "resistance" from a very small group of people) been positive. A lot of members who needed help setting up bindings, buying boots, boards, etc. were helped by more active members on EL. All while staying on topic...the only people who have veered things off topic have been the more active members of this board. You can look, aside from making fun and throwing a dubious eye on skichalletshack I have been on topic in every thread I've posted in. I can't say the same for some members who had to be constantly reminded to contribute to the thread instead of making attacks. Which reminds me... Shredlife, which bindings do you prefer? Last edited by phony_stark; 11-09-2012 at 01:47 PM. Reason: adding dave

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