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Old 11-07-2012, 06:42 PM   #21 (permalink)
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yeah, I've heard that from a number of people. I never had any issues, and they did take a little getting used too, but thats just my .02

I'm still feeling out the new toes they put out. I'm starting to get the impression that any fit issues have been rectified, but again different boots, etc etc.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:02 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I definitely didn't want to deal with the release bs that the Forces were causing. A story: I was walking through the mall one day and walked past Zumiez and noticed they sold snowboard gear (don't shoot me, I was shaking my head in disbelief) so I went in to see what they had. They sold Forces and the dipshit kid that they have there to promote their seasonal only gear was talking about how badass the Forces were. I told him I didn't like them and the toe strap was a bitch to deal with. He argued so I locked the strap down and when I went to release it, it didn't want to come off. He shut up at that point. I can't expect the people in that store to know anything because, hey, its Zumiez, but I was in for the trollz.

I am definitely itching to try the Vita's.. I had Cartels at one point, but sold them with the Burton board they were on since they were EST. I def liked the Cartels, just figured I'd go with something different this time and got good reviews of the Vita's.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:24 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Dude, sorry you hated the forces. Just to play devils advocate, unless you fall a lot and have to strap back in multiple times on one run. Having to use a very little bit of mustard to get off the toe strap isn't a big deal.

I think, despite it being admittedly harder (but not hard at all) to undo the toestrap, in my experience, Union has the best one in the game. It doesn't slip for shit. I would much rather my toe strap be hard to take off than easy to unbuckle. It would give me peace of mind that my toes were gonna stay strapped on the whole run. With gloves on, they're pretty easy to pop off and "break in" around day 15.

Vitas are a good choice, very comfy and you don't have to use any muscles to undo the toestrap.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:15 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Dude, sorry you hated the forces. Just to play devils advocate, unless you fall a lot and have to strap back in multiple times on one run. Having to use a very little bit of mustard to get off the toe strap isn't a big deal.

I think, despite it being admittedly harder (but not hard at all) to undo the toestrap, in my experience, Union has the best one in the game. It doesn't slip for shit. I would much rather my toe strap be hard to take off than easy to unbuckle. It would give me peace of mind that my toes were gonna stay strapped on the whole run. With gloves on, they're pretty easy to pop off and "break in" around day 15.

Vitas are a good choice, very comfy and you don't have to use any muscles to undo the toestrap.
When I look at the other bindings I've rode (Burton Cartel, Rome 390, GNU junk, hell even Drakes when I first started boarding) I've never had a toe strap come loose on me. Now I will play fair and note that the comfort and ride was better on the Cartels and 390's while great usability. I wasn't impressed with the Drakes ride after I had them a few seasons and started to get better at boarding. The 390's, the lean angle adjustment breaks loose easily on a fall, but overall is a better binding than the Forces. There is no way I'd continue to deal with Forces (and failure to correct a simple engineering issue) and have to fight to get the toestrap ratchet loose every time . It doesn't have to be multiple times, it just has to be when I get to the bottom and want my back foot out of the binding for what its worth. They definitely aren't the best in the game bro, but seems a lot of people are hypnotised by them for some reason. If you like them, I'm glad you do and that they are working for you, but there are def plenty of better options out there.

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Old 11-09-2012, 05:53 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I love the Vitas. I have a preference for the restricted version though. The wing gives a bit of extra lateral support. Admittedly, I barely notice any difference when doing presses. It's the comfort level for me. I find the winged highback to be more comfy. The highback is a tad stiffer than the wingless version.
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I love the Vitas. I have a preference for the restricted version though. The wing gives a bit of extra lateral support. Admittedly, I barely notice any difference when doing presses. It's the comfort level for me. I find the winged highback to be more comfy. The highback is a tad stiffer than the wingless version.
I got the restricted version.. Ready to get out and try them..
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I definitely didn't want to deal with the release bs that the Forces were causing. A story: I was walking through the mall one day and walked past Zumiez and noticed they sold snowboard gear (don't shoot me, I was shaking my head in disbelief) so I went in to see what they had. They sold Forces and the dipshit kid that they have there to promote their seasonal only gear was talking about how badass the Forces were. I told him I didn't like them and the toe strap was a bitch to deal with. He argued so I locked the strap down and when I went to release it, it didn't want to come off. He shut up at that point. I can't expect the people in that store to know anything because, hey, its Zumiez, but I was in for the trollz.

I am definitely itching to try the Vita's.. I had Cartels at one point, but sold them with the Burton board they were on since they were EST. I def liked the Cartels, just figured I'd go with something different this time and got good reviews of the Vita's.
this guy obviously doesn't know about Force adjustment. Learn how to handle the binding you're talking about before talking about it.



No problem releasing the toe strap IF YOU KNOW HOW TO SET THEM UP... lawl.

Also, all this talk of "that binding sucks, this binding is much better" is also nonsense. what goes in to a binding doesn't make your ride better, whereas setting them up properly, does. Amen.

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this guy obviously doesn't know about Force adjustment. Learn how to handle the binding you're talking about before talking about it.



No problem releasing the toe strap IF YOU KNOW HOW TO SET THEM UP... lawl.
Why so defensive?

Dave Z and I both had toe strap issues, sticky toe ratchet being one of them, with the forces and contact pros. We were set up and dialed in by the tent employees. Are you suggesting that they didn't know what they were doing or that they were doing a half-assed job?

In all fairness, these were pre-production models. But in all fairness again, our experience seems to mirror that of other users of production models.

I don't really want any part of this EL vs Sbf battle, but if you're going to come here just to be a dick, I'll be the balls.
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:03 AM   #29 (permalink)
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but if you're going to come here just to be a dick, I'll be the balls.
You have balls. I like balls.

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We were set up and dialed in by the tent employees. Are you suggesting that they didn't know what they were doing or that they were doing a half-assed job?
Well clearly. Considering the guy in my video apparently DOES know what he's doing. Who says tent employees guarantees no screw up?
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Well clearly. Considering the guy in my video apparently DOES know what he's doing. Who says tent employees guarantees no screw up?
Not me. It's you that said it.

I just think it's odd that you're suggesting the problem is due to a set up error. So by your logic, everyone with this same exact toe strap/ratchet problem is making the same exact set up errors. That's statistically very unlikely.

What about even hardcore Union supporters slapping Ride's toe straps on them? Are they setting it up wrong as well?

I've told Johan this and I'll say the same to you. I don't have a problem with Union. I have a problem with condescending fanboys like you.

Phony is doing it right. Even if he does hate this place overall haha.
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