Malavitas or Union Forces? - Page 5 - Snowboarding Forum

ShredLife · 11-09-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bseracka

Hey KungMartin, don't you think you should actually learn how to select an appropriate width board and set up your own bindings before you go spouting off "knowledge" about how others are doing it. Martin's thread

lmfao

matty19 · 11-09-2012, 11:16 AM

Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be a snowboarder. Too much fanboy bullshit in this thread, and not enough actual info for the OP. Sad.

jdang307 · 11-09-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo

How can I be? I was demoing union or the first time back last year. Where does my bias come from?

And that's great yours works fine. Maybe you should have stuck with that explanation instead of the douchebag comment you made.

Maybe they get better after breaking in. I don't know, I only demoed them. I'd be hard pressed to believe they are anywhere as smooth as Burton ratchets though.

Edit: I haven't talked about Union since Johan let this stupid beef carry over to my work email. Even after his friends at test fest made smart ass remarks towards me.

What is it with Union that makes them so thin skinned?

Stand by your product. If it were that good, more people will use them. Simple. Who on SBF slept with their wives? Kick their dogs?

ShredLife · 11-09-2012, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by matty19

Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be a snowboarder. Too much fanboy bullshit in this thread, and not enough actual info for the OP. Sad.

how do you figure that?

this site sees rider after rider after rider complain about 'your brand' and its limitations. there is actually a responsibility to inform people about flaws in products that exist, and persist. if you deny that a product has an issue to the point of some ridiculous dogma or brand loyalty then you are really doing a mis-service to those asking for real advice.

the complaints about union bindings are 100% legitimate. burying your head in the sand and throwing around insults or trying to assert your 'iamthemostknowledgeablesnowboarderandanyonewhothi nksdifferentiswrongandangry' attitude isn't going to help your 'cause'

ShredLife · 11-09-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jdang307

What is it with Union that makes them so think skinned?

Stand by your product. If it were that good, more people will use them. Simple. Who on SBF slept with their wives? Kick their dogs?

it is the culture of the company. they feed into it:

EasyLoungin

KungMartin · 11-09-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bseracka

Hey KungMartin, don't you think you should actually learn how to select an appropriate width board and set up your own bindings before you go spouting off "knowledge" about how others are doing it. Martin's thread

the thing is that i have knowledge about setting up the actual binding. i never mentioned anything about placement and toe/heel drag did i?

union force rocks, that is all.

also, fuck you.

phony_stark · 11-09-2012, 11:46 AM

This site sees maaaaaaaybe 6 riders complain about Unions, and of these six most haven't ridden a Union over 3 years or did for one day for a few hours, and while their experiences are VALUABLE for feedback (I don't want to be misunderstood, it is valuable feedback), it's not as valuable as an experience from someone who's ridden the product, as shipped, for 50 days.

In short, I would put more weight on the opinion of someone who uses a product regularly, over someone who tried and didn't like it. Especially one who writes a couple of sentences and just says "sucks" . That's not even constructive.

KungMartin · 11-09-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by phony_stark

This site sees maaaaaaaybe 6 riders complain about Unions, and of these six most haven't ridden a Union over 3 years or did for one day for a few hours, and while their experiences are VALUABLE for feedback (I don't want to be misunderstood, it is valuable feedback), it's not as valuable as an experience from someone who's ridden the product, as shipped, for 50 days.

In short, I would put more weight on the opinion of someone who uses a product regularly, over someone who tried and didn't like it. Especially one who writes a couple of sentences and just says "sucks" . That's not even constructive.

Word. They totally ask for trouble. Fucking ignorant douches.

ShredLife · 11-09-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by phony_stark

Wired will come up with a lot of great suggestions. I'd also like to throw in the GNU carbon credit. I put in around 25 days last season (my first season as well) and the board handled everything I threw at it, pow/slush/and ESPECIALLY ice. I enjoyed it a lot.

if you have only been riding for two seasons what makes you think you have enough experience to give people advice on snowboarding?

matty19 · 11-09-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ShredLife

how do you figure that?

this site sees rider after rider after rider complain about 'your brand' and its limitations. there is actually a responsibility to inform people about flaws in products that exist, and persist. if you deny that a product has an issue to the point of some ridiculous dogma or brand loyalty then you are really doing a mis-service to those asking for real advice.

the complaints about union bindings are 100% legitimate. burying your head in the sand and throwing around insults or trying to assert your 'iamthemostknowledgeablesnowboarderandanyonewhothi nksdifferentiswrongandangry' attitude isn't going to help your 'cause'

I agree with the last part of your statement. From what I've been reading, there's a lot of that in this thread.

Please don't mistake any of my comments as advocating for a specific company. While I have a positive opinion of Union bindings and Capita boards, I also love and use Burton bindings and boards, Mervyn (Lib/Gnu) boards, Venture, NeverSummer, etc. I'm really intrigued by a couple of K2's boards, and one of my local shops will be doing K2's "K2sdays" $1 weekday demos this season, so I'll be taking them out. I'm really excited by that and expect to enjoy them.

You and a few other people here appear to be very emotionally invested in convincing others that Union bindings "suck". I find that to be just as invalid as the fanboys who think that Union bindings are beyond criticism. Both sides are contributing to a load of bullshit that gets in the way of providing the information that can actually enable a person less familiar with the products available to choose a new binder.

Unions work for some people, and not for others.

The same with Burton binders.

The same with K2 binders.

The same with Raiden, Flux, Technine, Flow, Salomon, and Ride binders.

Gear preference is just that: preference. It doesn't define your riding. 90% rider. 10% board (and other gear).

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11-09-2012, 11:16 AM	#42 (permalink)
matty19 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 54 Blog Entries: 2	Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be a snowboarder. Too much fanboy bullshit in this thread, and not enough actual info for the OP. Sad.

11-09-2012, 11:46 AM	#47 (permalink)
phony_stark Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 488	This site sees maaaaaaaybe 6 riders complain about Unions, and of these six most haven't ridden a Union over 3 years or did for one day for a few hours, and while their experiences are VALUABLE for feedback (I don't want to be misunderstood, it is valuable feedback), it's not as valuable as an experience from someone who's ridden the product, as shipped, for 50 days. In short, I would put more weight on the opinion of someone who uses a product regularly, over someone who tried and didn't like it. Especially one who writes a couple of sentences and just says "sucks" . That's not even constructive.