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Old 11-09-2012, 09:22 AM   #21 (permalink)
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If you are getting this year's Cartel, I would look for the regional love restricted model. Those come with the upgraded Genesis strap. They also have the same base as the Malavita (not sure if all '13 Cartels are this way).
Wrong. The '13 EST Cartels can't have the same baseplate as the Malavita... EST Malavitas have the hinge, and '13 EST Cartels (restricted or otherwise) do not.

Early release 2014 EST Cartels do have the hinge. I just bought a pair to try:
2014 Burton Cartels

Maybe the non-EST ones share baseplates, but the OP asked about EST.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:24 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Wrong. The '13 EST Cartels can't have the same baseplate as the Malavita... EST Malavitas have the hinge, and '13 EST Cartels (restricted or otherwise) do not.

Early release 2014 EST Cartels do have the hinge. I just bought a pair to try:
2014 Burton Cartels

Maybe the non-EST ones share baseplates, but the OP asked about EST.
My bad. The regional love version is Reflex, Non-EST. Sorry for the confusion.
These are the ones I was referring to: Burton [Early 2014] Cartel Regional - Love Quebec - WWW.ALTERNATIVE113.COM
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:36 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Don't feel bad koyota - your post was correct. You didn't say anything was est and I agree with your rec. the regional loves are the best cartel to get right now. The best part is they ride the same as est's, are cheaper and can be used on non-burton boards!
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:06 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Get with the program here. There are no "rules" that say you can't put stiffer bindings on a softer board, it all comes down to personal preferences. If someone wants to rock Diodes or Chargers on an Artifact or Horrorscope, more power to them. That's not what I would personally ride, but who is to say that set up doesn't work for someone else?
Found an interesting eBay find relavent to our discussion...

Burton Feelgood Est Women's Snowboard 140cm w Burton C60 Est Bindings Snow NR | eBay

It's a Womens Burton Feelgood 140cm with C60 bindings on it. That's a board designed for a 105 pound girl, with bindings designed for a 170 pound man. It obviously "worked" for her but you can't tell me that it was anywhere close to ideal.

It's like putting race tires on a pinto. Sure you CAN do it, but you've past the point of diminishing gains long ago.

It DOES make sense to try to match your gear.
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Too late, i just received the Cartels...
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Too late, i just received the Cartels...
Nothing wrong with the Cartels for your needs. I just was making the point that it does make sense to roughly align stiffness in the three components of your setup.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:34 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Found an interesting eBay find relavent to our discussion...

Burton Feelgood Est Women's Snowboard 140cm w Burton C60 Est Bindings Snow NR | eBay

It's a Womens Burton Feelgood 140cm with C60 bindings on it. That's a board designed for a 105 pound girl, with bindings designed for a 170 pound man. It obviously "worked" for her but you can't tell me that it was anywhere close to ideal.

It's like putting race tires on a pinto. Sure you CAN do it, but you've past the point of diminishing gains long ago.

It DOES make sense to try to match your gear.
I think you are taking it to the extreme. Obviously that is not an ideal set up. I think the message Alka is trying to convey is binding stiffness is largely user preference.

For instance for a Burton Custom board, you can ride it with Cobra Sharks, Customs, Missions, Cartels, Malavitas, etc. I think most of us could agree that any of those bindings would for the most part pair with the Custom. It's up to the user to decide the best binding with the features, stiffness, and price point.
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For instance for a Burton Custom board, you can ride it with Cobra Sharks, Customs, Missions, Cartels, Malavitas, etc. I think most of us could agree that any of those bindings would for the most part pair with the Custom. It's up to the user to decide the best binding with the features, stiffness, and price point.
Yeah but a Burton Custom is a 5, right in the very middle, so obviously anything that isn't at either extreme end of the spectrum will work fine with it.

The OP was pairing a soft board with two options in bindings. One of them stiffer than the other. Sure it will work to have a stiff binding on a soft board, but in general you'd want to have a more closely matched setup.

If anything it's just a waste paying more to get stiff bindings for a soft board or vise versa.
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I have no idea where this theory that "matching" board and binding ratings came from. It's a huge, huge generalization, and shouldn't be used.
+1. In fact, there are plenty of examples where it makes perfect sense to have a mismatch in flex between bindings, board, and boot.
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Found an interesting eBay find relavent to our discussion...

Burton Feelgood Est Women's Snowboard 140cm w Burton C60 Est Bindings Snow NR | eBay

It's a Womens Burton Feelgood 140cm with C60 bindings on it. That's a board designed for a 105 pound girl, with bindings designed for a 170 pound man. It obviously "worked" for her but you can't tell me that it was anywhere close to ideal.

It's like putting race tires on a pinto. Sure you CAN do it, but you've past the point of diminishing gains long ago.

It DOES make sense to try to match your gear.
Who are you to tell me, or her, that that setup wasn't ideal for her and her riding style? Who cares who/what the specific product was designed for, if you enjoy riding it, why is it "wrong"?

Like I said, there are no rules in snowboarding. Ride whatever gear you want.

You seem quite fixated on proving me wrong...with eBay links...
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