I just bought a Burton 2012 Hero 155cm board and i have Rome Libertine boots (44,5 cm).
Now i'm looking for Bindings that are matching with the EST system.
I'm looking at the Burton Mission & Burton Custom.
I'm a low-weight person, and in the shop they advice me because of that to go for the Custom bindings, but if i look at some pictures i noticed the Missions are a bit stronger? they look stronger...
I just bought a Burton 2012 Hero 155cm board and i have Rome Libertine boots (44,5 cm).
Now i'm looking for Bindings that are matching with the EST system.
I'm looking at the Burton Mission & Burton Custom.
All Burton bindings should be similar in "strength" baseplates are guaranteed for life, I've heard of issues with the highback on the Diodes but you're not looking at those, and I'd also expect the ratchets and ladders to be better on the more expensive bindings.
That said: The missions have a feel rating of 6, the customs have a feel rating of 4, the board you bought has a feel rating of 3 I'm pretty sure, so the customs would probably be a much better match.
Thanks, i think i'm going for the "Royal Blue" ones from 2013! that would match bit the Hero, no? Here's a picture of it (the one on the picture is not the EST version but it's just for the colors)
I'm afraid the board is already very flexy for me (allmountain, pistes & powder), i'm not really into freestyle.
So i think the Cartels are just fine then, is that right?
Cartels are a solid, mid-stiff binding that will be great all over the mountain, whether that's in the park or riding around off-piste/groomers. It's one of Burton's best selling bindings for a reason.
They will be more responsive than both the Customs and the Missions, due to being a stiffer binding, overall.
You'll be fine, don't worry.
I have no idea where this theory that "matching" board and binding ratings came from. It's a huge, huge generalization, and shouldn't be used.
Both the Customs and Missions are solid bindings as well, just not as stiff/responsive as the Force. They'll both be "strong", so don't worry about that. The main differences between the two is that the Custom is a basic, no-frills binding whereas the Mission is a bit more responsive, and has some added tech featues like the Asym highback and an Asym ankle strap (on the Restricted models) and in the snowboard industry, you pay for the added tech.
If you are getting this year's Cartel, I would look for the regional love restricted model. Those come with the upgraded Genesis strap. They also have the same base as the Malavita (not sure if all '13 Cartels are this way).
Wrong. The '13 EST Cartels can't have the same baseplate as the Malavita... EST Malavitas have the hinge, and '13 EST Cartels (restricted or otherwise) do not.
Early release 2014 EST Cartels do have the hinge. I just bought a pair to try: 2014 Burton Cartels
Maybe the non-EST ones share baseplates, but the OP asked about EST.
I'm quite new into snowboarding (1 week austria and 3 times indoor) and i always rented a board before, so i don't know how they gonna feel etc. but i read good things about the cartels..
You won't be able to tell a difference between the bindings, unless you rode them back-to-back-to-back and even then, I don't think you'd notice anything just due to you being a newer rider.
Any of those bindings will be awesome for you, and they'll all last a few seasons as well. It just comes down to what you personally want to get and how much you want to spend.
You can't go wrong with any 3 of those bindings, but I think you'll really like the Cartels. Like I said, they're not one of Burton's best selling bindings for no reason.
I'd be pretty confident that any est binder you choose will do the job. As for color, in my experience Burton's colors tend to be pretty consistent within a model year.
And just a note: this year's Missions have the high back from last year's Cartels. The two bindings are pretty similar, with the Cartels having slightly upgraded straps and buckles, and the Missions being a hair softer.
Also, remember that most other binding companies have adapter plates that allow for "normal" disk bindings to interface with the Burton ICS deal.
Maybe I'm talking about a few yrs ago tech, but I thought mission and cartel had a superstrap and the custom had some basic ankle strap? Basically, the Mission and Cartel are more comfortable compared to the Custom. And based on the OPs experience and what Alkasqualik said, they will all feel the same unless you ride them back to back and compare.
I'm sure you'll have fun on the snow with any of those bindings you choose.
Custom does have a different strap it's called the Lush strap. I haven't ridden it, but I know the superstrap and asym superstrap on the missions/malavitas and cartels are pretty darn comfy.
Also, Alka is right, you can make any binding work on your board (I do prefer to be on the stiffer side than the softer side though), it's preference. There's no ideal matching.
I say missions/cartels. The hero you have has squeezebox so it can't be softer than the hero I demo'd in 2011 and the bindings on those were the Missions which, that year were pretty stiff...rode great.
Not to be a cynic, but you'll also be able to sell those more easily than the customon the ebays or craigslists or right here, if you want different bindings.
Don't feel bad koyota - your post was correct. You didn't say anything was est and I agree with your rec. the regional loves are the best cartel to get right now. The best part is they ride the same as est's, are cheaper and can be used on non-burton boards!
Nothing wrong with the Cartels for your needs. I just was making the point that it does make sense to roughly align stiffness in the three components of your setup.
Well, the feel good is the equivalent of the custom, and I'm sure it'd be ok in your books if someone put c60's on a custom, right? Anyways, you can't make any conclusions from that listing because 1) maybe the seller just put the bindings on there to help the sale 2) maybe the girl has ankle problems and needs the stiffest bindings she can find 3) maybe the girl got cheated on by the bf and she rode his c60's to trash them a bit and then to sell them 4) maybe she's into bordercross
5) She bought a board and then asked some sales guy what the best bindings were, and he sold her those...
And I wouldn't bother putting C60's on a Custom. The Custom X sure but seems like overkill for the plain jane custom. Just so nobody gets upity sure they'll WORK, and it's all personal preference. But I wouldn't do it.
C60s (no apostrophe for plural BTW) on a Custom can make perfect sense depending depending on rider needs and preferences. Conversely, there are situations that call for a soft-ish binding on a stiff stick
Please stop this matching nonsense.
I have the cartels now and indeed, they are stiff! thinking about sending them back and get the customs..
I also received my Burton Hero and it's a flexible board so it's maybe not so logical to put the stiffy cartels on it... (like you guys said)
My rome boots (libertines) are also loose/flexibe so it's stupid, right?
I didn't test them on snow but just screwed them on my board...
It's true that i don't really have a basis to say that.. they just feel stiff but i don't know if that's good or bad.. have to test it first i think.
Yes Marijn, I can tell from thousands of miles away what you really need is some snow and to take this stuff you bought and ride it. Lots of us are going crazy waiting for snow. You have great setup have lots of fun with it.
Hm, i'm reading some comments from other guys/shops and i'm afraid they ARE too stiff for the board and i don't get 100% out of it with the cartels..
I'm thinking to order the customs, because i have only 2 weeks to send the Cartels back.. difficult! aaaa
haha yea, those are sick bindings! I mean sure if you want to send them back for a lower end pair...unless you are pulling off video level jib shit and know better, those things are going to do great for you.
Hey all,
I went 3 days to Val Thorens with my new complete board, and i love it.
the only thing is i have only a few rachets to click on the straps, so they are OK but i really have to make sure that they are tight enough.
I found out turning was not so easy, i really have to be a bit agressive (because my low weight i think).
What can i do about that? My stance is in the middle of the board & the angles are the standard 15 & 9.
Thanks!
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