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Old 11-07-2012, 06:37 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Man, two hours seems like a REALLY long time. How did you set up the bindings? Can you post photos?

I got mine set up on my Nikes and my Burton Hails after one tall can.
grab the front of the toe strap and pull. It will slip up without much effort. Get any other brand set up right and try the same thing. Its either much harder or doesn't happen at all. The front of the toe strap just sticks out way too fuckin far. It'll get caught on the snow and ripped up.

I tried every hole on the toe strap and all the positions where the straps meet the baseplate. I even did all that at every adjustment of the heelcup. 0, 1, and 2. That's why I spent 2 hours doin it. Trying literally every single configuration with 2 boots takes time. CAUSE NOTHING IS FUCKING TOOL LESS. K2's absolute baseline binding for men is completely tool less. The most expensive binding from Union still requires a driver for the toe strap.
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We just got shipment of Uinions so I finally got to get my hands on some Atlas's. To me they seem to be the most promising Union to date. I have a bit of worry that the heel area may ultimately collapse under hard riding and or heavier riders over time (like 100 days maybe) but thats it other than the toe area. The straps are literally impossible to get to fit right. I spen 2 hours playing with all the settings you can on the binding with both the K2 Maysis and 32 Lashed. No matter what I did it will pop up on top of you toe if you wash out toeside or take any kind of digger. With a less than ideal fit, they'll just pop up under hard riding.

If you go Atlas see if you can wrangle some Burton caps. The ratchets seemed to fit on the Union ladders (but I have not ridden or know anyone that has to confirm long term pheasability) so you can just use the whole strap and ratchet. Which s good casue the Union toe ratchet is sub par.
The atlas sound pretty good.. i guess i'll have to go and check out the toe straps for myself. Do you recommend these over the 390 bosses?
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The atlas sound pretty good.. i guess i'll have to go and check out the toe straps for myself. Do you recommend these over the 390 bosses?
Just the opposite.
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Just the opposite.
Sounds like the 390 bosses get the win..looks like ill be getting those
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I never had a problem with Union straps. I've owned the 2011 DLX and the 2012 Contact Pro. I used them with 2006 DC Super Park boots. They fit perfectly and I didn't have to adjust at all. I found it works best if you strap the upper part of the strap directly over top as you would the old classic style toe straps. When you do this, the lower part of the strap tightens up real nice on the front of the boot. It has never slipped on me before. I honestly don't see what people hate about them, unless I just got lucky with the size/shape of my boots.
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The atlas sound pretty good.. i guess i'll have to go and check out the toe straps for myself. Do you recommend these over the 390 bosses?
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grab the front of the toe strap and pull. It will slip up without much effort. Get any other brand set up right and try the same thing. Its either much harder or doesn't happen at all. The front of the toe strap just sticks out way too fuckin far. It'll get caught on the snow and ripped up.

I tried every hole on the toe strap and all the positions where the straps meet the baseplate. I even did all that at every adjustment of the heelcup. 0, 1, and 2. That's why I spent 2 hours doin it. Trying literally every single configuration with 2 boots takes time. CAUSE NOTHING IS FUCKING TOOL LESS. K2's absolute baseline binding for men is completely tool less. The most expensive binding from Union still requires a driver for the toe strap.
Hold on....you tried every permutation and could NOT get them to work with a 32 Lashed boot? I'm finding this really hard to believe. I rode my contacts and DLXs with my first boot, a 32 Lashed, and had to take maybe 15 minutes to get the toe strap right (old style) with the contacts, and way less than that on the DLX toe strap. The new toe strap is better than both. I'm willing to bet if you got your average shop kid to help you set those up, they'd get it done. If set up properly they won't drag on teh snow 50 days during a season of learning Eurocarves and my toe strap looks tits.

Also, 2 hours?!?! Because it's not toolless?!?!? C'mon, fella. There's one of two things at work here.

1. You're not setting up your boot properly before you ride, so you are using the "shop tables" on the hill, which have crappy tools. If that's the case, you're doing it wrong, because you're not dialing your gear in before you ride.

2. You are missing thumbs, or have problems using a screwdriver if it's taking that much longer to adjust a toe strap.

Again, maybe ask your local shop dude for help. Or I can help if you post pics.

Camo is a shop guy(I think), so maybe he can help you out.

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Shop guy I am, special ed teacher, I am not.
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Two questions for ya both. How many days do you have so far? And how many different bindings have you ridden the last 2 years?

Cause I have 6 days already and 2 more before the weekend and have probably ridden more bindings in the last 2 years than you'll ever ride.

Not to mention I have a few large brands looking at me for prototype testing.

Nice try though.

And still, even taking 15 minutes is too fucking long to set up a toe strap for a company that ONLY makes bindings. Union toe strap 2.0 was their best. It didn't work on smooth rounded toe boxes but at least it worked on boxier boots.
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Two questions for ya both. How many days do you have so far? And how many different bindings have you ridden the last 2 years?

Cause I have 6 days already and 2 more before the weekend and have probably ridden more bindings in the last 2 years than you'll ever ride.

Not to mention I have a few large brands looking at me for prototype testing.

Nice try though.

And still, even taking 15 minutes is too fucking long to set up a toe strap for a company that ONLY makes bindings. Union toe strap 2.0 was their best. It didn't work on smooth rounded toe boxes but at least it worked on boxier boots.
Uh huh, who?
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