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phony_stark · 11-08-2012, 12:57 AM

Mine ripped, and, word on the street is that anymountain was up to their ass in ripped Malavitas.

I still like them though.

Supes, are you talking about last year's cartel? I think, for this year, they all have the asymsuperstrap.

(do you call yours the Asym SupraStrap?)

I still say swtichbacks....try something else.

Supra · 11-08-2012, 01:01 AM

yeah phony, in my head cartels have reg straps and vitas have asym. The new strap on the cartels is thinner than on the genesis and it is a little asym. the vita strap is thicker and possibly more asym (but I need to check)

phony_stark · 11-08-2012, 01:09 AM

I think we need to consolidate threads, because I JUST said over on another thread that aside from the highbacks the feature list on the Cartels vs Vitas are identical (I think, I was being lazy) aside from the highbacks.

I hope the asym react strap is a typo, as I think it would make more sense to be on the "more aggressive" cartel. And the comfy-womfy asym regular strap would be more at home on the parky-warky (but serious when you need them to be) Malavita.

Nivek · 11-08-2012, 01:15 AM

The Malavita is now stiffer than the Cartel despite what Burton says. And they do have a bit of a different shaped baseplate. Same glass content. Honestly it probably doesn't make a difference. But the highback on the Cartel is much softer than the Malavita now. That's where it gets noticeably softer.

phony_stark · 11-08-2012, 01:19 AM

softer torsionally? or softer straight back? or both?

I've got it on good authority, I think supra does too, that it's 3% stiffer than last years. I had last year's reflex cartels and, yeah, I guess they didn't feel any stiffer than the malavitas, but they definitely weren't softer.

Supra · 11-08-2012, 01:21 AM

this year's malavita base is the same as the genesis, so more light weight than last year's

Nivek · 11-08-2012, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by phony_stark

softer torsionally? or softer straight back? or both?

I've got it on good authority, I think supra does too, that it's 3% stiffer than last years. I had last year's reflex cartels and, yeah, I guess they didn't feel any stiffer than the malavitas, but they definitely weren't softer.

3%? What does that even mean? How do you even measure that?

Softer torsionally. Vastly so. The 2012 and 2013 highbacks are completely different.

phony_stark · 11-08-2012, 01:41 AM

1. You're clearly not proto-ing for burton or union. That's a shame, because I feel like they make the best clamps out right now. Super curious about the NOW bindings though.

2. Aware, but I was using transitive properties. You were saying this year's Cartel Highback is soft. I know it to be stiffer than last year's, so I compared the malavitas to last year's cartel and feel that it's about the same. So perhaps this year's cartel is the unintelligible 3% stiffer than the Vitas.

Anyway, I think torsional softness is a good thing, I only want my bindings to be stiff straight back anyway.

CheoSamad · 11-08-2012, 06:18 AM

My only real worry about switchbacks are the responsiveness of the high back and what if going 45 down the mountain my binding falls apart from the chatter and all of a sudden I have no board.

phony_stark · 11-08-2012, 02:07 PM

Pretty sure they've tested this....and someone probably rode faster than you.

I wouldn't worry.

11-08-2012, 01:15 AM	#14 (permalink)
Nivek Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mountains of Mordor Posts: 5,368	The Malavita is now stiffer than the Cartel despite what Burton says. And they do have a bit of a different shaped baseplate. Same glass content. Honestly it probably doesn't make a difference. But the highback on the Cartel is much softer than the Malavita now. That's where it gets noticeably softer. __________________ Snowboarding Sucks.

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phony_stark Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 488	softer torsionally? or softer straight back? or both? I've got it on good authority, I think supra does too, that it's 3% stiffer than last years. I had last year's reflex cartels and, yeah, I guess they didn't feel any stiffer than the malavitas, but they definitely weren't softer. Last edited by phony_stark; 11-08-2012 at 01:19 AM. Reason: or both?

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CheoSamad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Henryville PA Posts: 493	My only real worry about switchbacks are the responsiveness of the high back and what if going 45 down the mountain my binding falls apart from the chatter and all of a sudden I have no board. __________________ Crush a bit, little bit. Roll it up. Take a hit.

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11-08-2012, 12:57 AM	#11 (permalink)
phony_stark Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 488	Mine ripped, and, word on the street is that anymountain was up to their ass in ripped Malavitas. I still like them though. Supes, are you talking about last year's cartel? I think, for this year, they all have the asymsuperstrap. (do you call yours the Asym SupraStrap?) I still say swtichbacks....try something else.

11-08-2012, 01:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
Supra Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	yeah phony, in my head cartels have reg straps and vitas have asym. The new strap on the cartels is thinner than on the genesis and it is a little asym. the vita strap is thicker and possibly more asym (but I need to check)

11-08-2012, 01:09 AM	#13 (permalink)
phony_stark Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 488	I think we need to consolidate threads, because I JUST said over on another thread that aside from the highbacks the feature list on the Cartels vs Vitas are identical (I think, I was being lazy) aside from the highbacks. I hope the asym react strap is a typo, as I think it would make more sense to be on the "more aggressive" cartel. And the comfy-womfy asym regular strap would be more at home on the parky-warky (but serious when you need them to be) Malavita.

11-08-2012, 01:21 AM	#16 (permalink)
Supra Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	this year's malavita base is the same as the genesis, so more light weight than last year's

11-08-2012, 01:41 AM	#18 (permalink)
phony_stark Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 488	1. You're clearly not proto-ing for burton or union. That's a shame, because I feel like they make the best clamps out right now. Super curious about the NOW bindings though. 2. Aware, but I was using transitive properties. You were saying this year's Cartel Highback is soft. I know it to be stiffer than last year's, so I compared the malavitas to last year's cartel and feel that it's about the same. So perhaps this year's cartel is the unintelligible 3% stiffer than the Vitas. Anyway, I think torsional softness is a good thing, I only want my bindings to be stiff straight back anyway.

11-08-2012, 02:07 PM	#20 (permalink)
phony_stark Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 488	Pretty sure they've tested this....and someone probably rode faster than you. I wouldn't worry.