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Mine ripped, and, word on the street is that anymountain was up to their ass in ripped Malavitas.

I still like them though.

Supes, are you talking about last year's cartel? I think, for this year, they all have the asymsuperstrap.

(do you call yours the Asym SupraStrap?)

I still say swtichbacks....try something else.
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yeah phony, in my head cartels have reg straps and vitas have asym. The new strap on the cartels is thinner than on the genesis and it is a little asym. the vita strap is thicker and possibly more asym (but I need to check)
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I think we need to consolidate threads, because I JUST said over on another thread that aside from the highbacks the feature list on the Cartels vs Vitas are identical (I think, I was being lazy) aside from the highbacks.

I hope the asym react strap is a typo, as I think it would make more sense to be on the "more aggressive" cartel. And the comfy-womfy asym regular strap would be more at home on the parky-warky (but serious when you need them to be) Malavita.
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The Malavita is now stiffer than the Cartel despite what Burton says. And they do have a bit of a different shaped baseplate. Same glass content. Honestly it probably doesn't make a difference. But the highback on the Cartel is much softer than the Malavita now. That's where it gets noticeably softer.

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softer torsionally? or softer straight back? or both?

I've got it on good authority, I think supra does too, that it's 3% stiffer than last years. I had last year's reflex cartels and, yeah, I guess they didn't feel any stiffer than the malavitas, but they definitely weren't softer.

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this year's malavita base is the same as the genesis, so more light weight than last year's
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softer torsionally? or softer straight back? or both?

I've got it on good authority, I think supra does too, that it's 3% stiffer than last years. I had last year's reflex cartels and, yeah, I guess they didn't feel any stiffer than the malavitas, but they definitely weren't softer.
3%? What does that even mean? How do you even measure that?

Softer torsionally. Vastly so. The 2012 and 2013 highbacks are completely different.

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1. You're clearly not proto-ing for burton or union. That's a shame, because I feel like they make the best clamps out right now. Super curious about the NOW bindings though.

2. Aware, but I was using transitive properties. You were saying this year's Cartel Highback is soft. I know it to be stiffer than last year's, so I compared the malavitas to last year's cartel and feel that it's about the same. So perhaps this year's cartel is the unintelligible 3% stiffer than the Vitas.

Anyway, I think torsional softness is a good thing, I only want my bindings to be stiff straight back anyway.
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My only real worry about switchbacks are the responsiveness of the high back and what if going 45 down the mountain my binding falls apart from the chatter and all of a sudden I have no board.

Emerica should make snowboard boots

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Pretty sure they've tested this....and someone probably rode faster than you.

I wouldn't worry.
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