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Old 11-13-2012, 11:13 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Alex,

I don't have personal experience with any of the bindings except the Cartels. I rode them one day at the end of last year and did notice the heel side of the base lifting a little under hard toe side turns. The problem was more pronounced on the Burton Prophecy bindings I rode most of last year. They were probably worse because the base was a combo of 11% glass blend and 30% glass blend vs straight 30% on the Cartels. I also don't know how many days the Cartels were ridden before I had them and the lift didn't become really noticeable on the Prophecys until about day 15-20. I am also a heavier ride at 210lbs so someone light may not notice as much. It was only a problem for me when riding fast in less than ideal snow conditions. On toe side carves the pressure and chop would cause my heels to bounce a little give me an unstable feeling. This was enough for me to get rid of the prophecies which were other wise great bindings. I am looking at some Burton bindings with reflex again this year but this issue has kept me from pulling the trigger so far.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I've only tried two of those bindings, the 390 Boss (2011) and the Cartel (2009, 2011, 2012). I liked both but, out of those two I preferred my Cartels. Ratchets didn't slip as much (I heard they fixed this) and they weren't as fussy to set up.

I think Burton makes the second best bindings on the market.
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I have the 390 Boss now, but sitting on my board ready to get its cherry popped (any day now).

Last year rode the Burton Malavita, and Raiden Blackhawks. Malavita might be a little too soft, but I loved the fit and finish and ratchets and comfort of the Vitas, which is why the Cartel is high on my list this year.

The blackhawks were great, and I would have kept them except my boot was not centered perfectly and for someone OCD like that drove me crazy. The forward/backward options are not that great, but I was on the very low end of the boot size for the binding.

Other than that, it was canted, comfortable, and ratchets were butter, even better than the Burton ones, which I liked.

Check out the blackhawks.

Oh, and the heel lift on the Re:Flex. I'm like phony, never noticed it.

But addi makes a great point, it may become an issue at high speeds and extreme force.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Been using some '12 vitas for the first week on snow this year and while the heel lift is noticeable when u are playing around with them on your carpet, its not something you notice on the snow. Great bindings. Plan to switch them onto an evo.
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Heel lift isn't due to bindings...it's due to improper fitting of your foot to your boot.

Why are you interested in a canted footbed? Do you have some ankle alignment issue or have a wide stance?
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Heel lift isn't due to bindings...it's due to improper fitting of your foot to your boot.

Why are you interested in a canted footbed? Do you have some ankle alignment issue or have a wide stance?
You're wrong. These bindings have the reflex discs which allows the binding to lift at the heel. They're not talking about ill fitting boots.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:31 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The heel lift most people are talking about in regards to reflex bindings is the heel side of the binding base lifting from the board under pressure not the normal heel of the boot lifting when the boot and binding are not fitted properly.

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Heel lift isn't due to bindings...it's due to improper fitting of your foot to your boot.

Why are you interested in a canted footbed? Do you have some ankle alignment issue or have a wide stance?
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:34 PM   #17 (permalink)
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The lift I'm talking about is the back edge of the binding lifting from the board, there are threads and videos about it on here.

I don't have a particularly wide stance, (currently 20.5" between disk centres), though I plan to have a play around with my new board and bindings. I feel a bit of pressure in my right knee but I've always had iffy knees so just figured it was something I'd have to put up with.

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You're wrong. These bindings have the reflex discs which allows the binding to lift at the heel. They're not talking about ill fitting boots.
so it's based on design? And I thought Re:Flex was a longitudinal flex not heel to toe...unless your reflex disc was set up wrong.


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Here's the thread about it, I've also read it on some reviews on the net:

http://www.snowboardingforum.com/bin...-bindings.html

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so it's based on design? And I thought Re:Flex was a longitudinal flex not heel to toe...unless your reflex disc was set up wrong.

There is not much point arguing about something that you dont know. If you have set up and messed with these bindings, you understand.

The reflex is made to flex longitudinally. However the reduced baseplate of the 'vita and cartel barely has any material in it, such that you can flex the entire unit in really any direction, including lifting up the heel which seems unsettling, however as everyone who rides them has confirmed this is just something you notice in setup and the carpet. So far no issues with lack of response or snow buildup.
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