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Sassicaia · 11-14-2012, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nivek

Just the opposite. Cleared it with one of the reps over the weekend. Despite what the site says, the Cartel is now softer than the Malavita.

And the Genesis is not meant to fill the hole of the Prophecy by the way. Its not meant as a stiffer all mountain binding. Its a softer high tech binding for those that have shit tons of money and want the cool shit. Usually that guy isn't a great rider and getting all the cool shit usually means a stiff binding, which is beyond their ability. Hence the Genesis, cool shit and soft so it's not beyond the rich new guy.

K2 Company's. No crazy tech to break, just a simple, responsive, damp, and functional binding.

So its a big conspiracy on the Burton site? Why would they list the Cartel as 7, and the Malavita as 6, when its the reverse. Whats the logic behind not listing product information as being accurate?

Supra · 11-14-2012, 12:54 AM

aren't they both 7's? maybe they had to make the malavita highback stiffer to accomodate the heel hammock better? If people ride their straps looser because of the hammock, maybe they need a stiffer highback to offset it.
but whatever, I think both bindings do the same thing

Sassicaia · 11-14-2012, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supra

aren't they both 7's? maybe they had to make the malavita highback stiffer to accomodate the heel hammock better? If people ride their straps looser because of the hammock, maybe they need a stiffer highback to offset it.
but whatever, I think both bindings do the same thing

According to their site.

Restricted Maltiva EST: 7
Maltiva EST: 6
Restricted Cartel EST: 7
Cartel EST: 7

Just for discussion sake they list the Genesis EST as 7.

Supra · 11-14-2012, 01:06 AM

hmm, yeah, they list the same numbers for the reflex versions.
well, diodes are only 8's. I don't put too much stock in those numbers anyways. It's more marketing-influenced than anything scientific

addi61 · 11-14-2012, 07:33 AM

Nivek, did he say this in regards to the est or reflex versions or does it apply to both? It makes sense to me since the malavita moved up to 30% glass and the high back does feel a good amount stiffer in hand. Also, how would you say the company's compare to the malavits and salomon chiefs stiffness/response wise?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nivek

Just the opposite. Cleared it with one of the reps over the weekend. Despite what the site says, the Cartel is now softer than the Malavita.

And the Genesis is not meant to fill the hole of the Prophecy by the way. Its not meant as a stiffer all mountain binding. Its a softer high tech binding for those that have shit tons of money and want the cool shit. Usually that guy isn't a great rider and getting all the cool shit usually means a stiff binding, which is beyond their ability. Hence the Genesis, cool shit and soft so it's not beyond the rich new guy.

K2 Company's. No crazy tech to break, just a simple, responsive, damp, and functional binding.

Nivek · 11-14-2012, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by addi61

Nivek, did he say this in regards to the est or reflex versions or does it apply to both? It makes sense to me since the malavita moved up to 30% glass and the high back does feel a good amount stiffer in hand. Also, how would you say the company's compare to the malavits and salomon chiefs stiffness/response wise?

He didn't specify between ReFlex and EST. But with the Hinge the EST Malavita it will be a smidge softer than the ReFlex. But still stiffer than the Cartel. It's really that highback. The highback is just that much softer.

Company's are about where the Prophecy landed, a little stiffer than the Chief. The Chief sits kinda in between the Malavita and Cartel. It's a great do everything binding.

Supra · 11-14-2012, 06:51 PM

so yes, the malavita highback is stiffer than the cartels, but the cartel's baseplate is stiffer.

The cartel's highback is as strong as the 2012 when pushing straight back

addi61 · 11-15-2012, 08:23 AM

I think the Malavita base is as stiff as the Cartel this year. Its listed as 30% glass blend vs. 11% last year. The shape on this years base is different than last years when it matched the Cartel but its that same shape that the Diode and Genesis have.

scotty100 · 11-25-2012, 08:54 PM

I made it into the Burton flagship store in LA before thanksgiving and according to the guys in the store, the 2013 Cartel highback has enhanced torsional flex but is as stiff and responsive as ever when pushing straight back into it. That combined with the usual level of stiffness in the baseplate is apparently why they still rate the 2013 Cartel stiffer overall than the 2013 Malavita. This is for both Reflex and EST versions.

I ended up getting the 2013 restricted reflex malavitas with the wing highback. Sweet binding and the highback did not feel stiffer than the cartels in any direction to me but this was just in the store and I did not analyze it too closely.

Nito · 11-26-2012, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nivek

He didn't specify between ReFlex and EST. But with the Hinge the EST Malavita it will be a smidge softer than the ReFlex. But still stiffer than the Cartel. It's really that highback. The highback is just that much softer.

Company's are about where the Prophecy landed, a little stiffer than the Chief. The Chief sits kinda in between the Malavita and Cartel. It's a great do everything binding.

Sorry to jack this thread.

Nivek,

I read your comment on the mini review. Why no love for the Salomon Hologram? Do you think the Heritage and Machete will be to stiff for the Hologram? I'm thinking since Bobby has a pair of Dialogues, it would be a great match.

Just asking, not looking to cause any problem - Nito

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11-14-2012, 12:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
Supra Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	aren't they both 7's? maybe they had to make the malavita highback stiffer to accomodate the heel hammock better? If people ride their straps looser because of the hammock, maybe they need a stiffer highback to offset it. but whatever, I think both bindings do the same thing

11-14-2012, 01:06 AM	#14 (permalink)
Supra Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	hmm, yeah, they list the same numbers for the reflex versions. well, diodes are only 8's. I don't put too much stock in those numbers anyways. It's more marketing-influenced than anything scientific

11-14-2012, 06:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
Supra Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	so yes, the malavita highback is stiffer than the cartels, but the cartel's baseplate is stiffer. The cartel's highback is as strong as the 2012 when pushing straight back

11-15-2012, 08:23 AM	#18 (permalink)
addi61 Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 36	I think the Malavita base is as stiff as the Cartel this year. Its listed as 30% glass blend vs. 11% last year. The shape on this years base is different than last years when it matched the Cartel but its that same shape that the Diode and Genesis have.

11-25-2012, 08:54 PM	#19 (permalink)
scotty100 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: San Francisco Posts: 202	I made it into the Burton flagship store in LA before thanksgiving and according to the guys in the store, the 2013 Cartel highback has enhanced torsional flex but is as stiff and responsive as ever when pushing straight back into it. That combined with the usual level of stiffness in the baseplate is apparently why they still rate the 2013 Cartel stiffer overall than the 2013 Malavita. This is for both Reflex and EST versions. I ended up getting the 2013 restricted reflex malavitas with the wing highback. Sweet binding and the highback did not feel stiffer than the cartels in any direction to me but this was just in the store and I did not analyze it too closely.