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Old 11-25-2012, 10:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well, here's a differing viewpoint. Burton (my rep) told me that they were amazing bindings and when I tried them I couldn't give them back. I never get high end bindings since cartels are so good...but I made sure this year to sell off off enough gear to be able to afford them.
Supra....do you work in a shop? Just curious as you referred to "your rep" from Burton. Since you've ridden them and seem to like them...do you think they are a good fit for someone riding my style (groomers, glades for pow, no park at all)? Especially given my super-stiff boots. They seem REALLY flexible relative to the Malavitas/Cartels I handled in the shop as well as some of the others I was looking at.

Nivek...seems a lot of the bindings you listed are pretty much in the medium or medium-soft range of flex. Same question to you about them fitting my riding style (Flux and Salomon specifically) considering my stiff boots.

I am intrigued by the Flux SF45 and TT30 as well as the Ride Capos and Rome Tagras (my 9.5 boot is that sad "tweener" size for Rome, though).

My interest is piqued by the Flux SF45
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:08 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Holograms are very responsive, they just give a different feel tip to tail. Its more of a skate feel. But they will hold their own on stiffer decks, provided you like the looser feel in the heelcup. The DMCC Light is just barely below a freeride performing binding, responsive and light as shit. The NX2 SE's are stiff, the hybrid strap does work well and it will be better for someone searching for pow than the I-Strap. The Company is K2's stiffest binding and quite fantastic for what you're looking to do.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:12 PM   #13 (permalink)
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This is what I was told about the Genesis by Burton, I have not ridden them:

The average buyer getting the super high end techy stuff is the guy with lots of money that rides maybe 5 days a year. That guy isnt really pushing his equipment and probably doesnt need something super responsive and stiff. Now, Genesis. A super techy binding that isnt "uber" stiff and "ultra" responsive. So the rich dude can spend his money but get a binding thats a little more appropriate to his ability.

Basically in price they replaced the Prophecy which would fit what youre looking for, but I dont know if they match up in performance. So with what I was told I think a demo before purchase is a good idea for the Genesis.
Whoever told you that should be fired. That's an awful thing to say about something the bindings department spent a lot of time on and an even more awful thing to say about a potential customer.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:41 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Would it be "safer" to go Cartels? Seem to be a standard for my type of riding...the Genesis seems more for someone who will hit the park with its flexibility of the highbacks.
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Whoever told you that should be fired. That's an awful thing to say about something the bindings department spent a lot of time on and an even more awful thing to say about a potential customer.
So telling me something about a binding so that I'm not selling something as something else should get someone fired? And where did I say as fact that it is a soft non responsive binding? All I've been told is they aren't as stiff as the Prophecy and in response are not meant to replace it. Am I going to tell someone that its a fancy binding for rich people? No, but that's the explanation I was given.

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Would it be "safer" to go Cartels? Seem to be a standard for my type of riding...the Genesis seems more for someone who will hit the park with its flexibility of the highbacks.
Actually I've been pushing people into Malavitas. Same glass content and same base (for Reflex) as the Cartel but with a stiffer torsional flex in the highback. EST is different as the frames are different between the two but I don't think a slightly softer base will make up for how much softer the highback is in this years Cartel.
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Actually I've been pushing people into Malavitas. Same glass content and same base (for Reflex) as the Cartel but with a stiffer torsional flex in the highback. EST is different as the frames are different between the two but I don't think a slightly softer base will make up for how much softer the highback is in this years Cartel.

Handling them at the shop, it seemed a marginal difference (I will be getting Reflex, not EST). Can I gather I won't notice a huge difference in a majority of my riding? I am suspicious I won't notice a major difference between most of these (again, I don't ride park, don't ride mach 10).
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Handling them at the shop, it seemed a marginal difference (I will be getting Reflex, not EST). Can I gather I won't notice a huge difference in a majority of my riding? I am suspicious I won't notice a major difference between most of these (again, I don't ride park, don't ride mach 10).
If you're riding mostly park I'd suggest the Cartel anyhow. The softer torsional flex is better in there.
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Meh, if someone wants a high end, softer flexing binding, regardless of age, ability, or wealth, who cares?

Obviously higher end stuff tends to be stiffer and more geared towards an advanced rider, people will spend money on a high end binding, regardless. Smart move on Burton's part, and a valid explanation by the rep. Not something I would ever say to a customer, but I get it from a sales point of view.

I have a buddy who's been on them for all of last year, and I talked to him at Boreal opening day, and he loves them. Really good rider, so I'll take his word on them. If you want to spend an arm and a leg on a softer flexing binding? Go for it, I know people in Vail, Aspen, Northstar, Whistler visiting with some money in their pockets will be. I hear it's a solid binding nonetheless, and I want to put some days on them this year. Waiting for them to pop up on the batcave.
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