New Binding angle set up - Snowboarding Forum

tonyisnowhere · 12-02-2012, 09:56 AM

Hey everyone just thought I would ask some experienced folks what is a good starting point for my Arbor Element CX (camber). It is a directional board so I was thinking more angle in front less in back. I have only ridden reverse camber snowboards and I keep them at 15, 15. Any suggestions would be appreciated. This board would be mainly used on groomers until I understand the ride.
Thanks all

NWBoarder · 12-02-2012, 11:53 AM

If you're cozy at 15, -15, then keep it that way. No sense in changing what works.

tonyisnowhere · 12-02-2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NWBoarder

If you're cozy at 15, -15, then keep it that way. No sense in changing what works.

phony_stark · 12-02-2012, 12:16 PM

This is something you will probably be able to answer better as you experiment. It's all preference.

I do think, however, if you're going to be riding one direction the whole/majority of the time a lower, or even zero back binding will be helpful. Again, preference though.

Gdog42 · 12-02-2012, 12:34 PM

If you're finding it a little difficult to go onto your heel edge, put less angle on the back binding.

If not, then just keep it how it is. It's about whatever feels best for you.
A good way of finding your stance is to put your boots on and stand on the board with them. Whatever stance feels the most comfortable in your riding direction is where you should mount them. Just make sure the distance from the tip of the board to the front binding is greater than or the same as it is for the back.

I used to ride -15,15 but I had trouble turning on my heel edge, so I changed it to -6, 15. Worked great after that. I don't know what happened during the off-season, but when I tried on my board again recently it felt uncomfortable. I changed the front angle to 21 degrees and now it feels nice again.

So, it doesn't matter what your stance is as long as it's comfortable for you and allows you to ride effectively.

tonyisnowhere · 12-02-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowolf

I am with Nwboarder here. Stay with the angles that you are comfortable with. I take it this is your first camber deck so it is going to take a little getting used to and changing your stance angles now just adds another variable to the mix.

A word of caution to you if this is indeed your first time on a fully cambered dack. Pay way more attention to your edge control and avoid flat basing completely until you become very edge aware. Cambered decks are not as forgiving of slight mistakes or just sloppy riding as a rocker and are prone to catch edge hard when you do fuck up. Ride conservatively and take some time to really get a feel for the edginess of this new board; your ass and your face will thank you for being cautious....

Yes you are right! Snowolf I am 32 years old with two babies and a wife, No risks for me haha. Thank you for your input! A few people told me similar advice. But this is the first I hear about "Avoid flat basing". I do appreciate it! I plan on keeping to super easy hills at first(back to the bunny slopes!). The main reason I want to ride camber is because I know I am a sloppy rider and the rocker allows me to be. I want to improve in every way I can and going to camber I thought would really teach me better technique and more technical riding. I also plan on taking another private lesson so I have someone point out what I need to improve or tighten up. I might try a more directional set up just for shits and giggles. I don't plan on trying to ride switch on the camber until I got going forward down. Any good (mild )forward stances numbers that would ok if I need to end up in switch and not eat it.

t21 · 12-02-2012, 08:15 PM

your 15/-15 should be just fine. but if you are looking for a milder angle you can start with 15/-3 or 12/-3,-6 or even 9/-9

but its really up to you. i ride a camber deck with early rise but i started with regular camber(rental) and ended with 15/-3 for two season. but this season i changed it to 15/-6 and it felt a bit easier. though i have not tried this set-up on steeps and moguls yet. btw, snowolf is right,flat-basing on regular camber does freaking hurt

davidjames · 12-04-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyisnowhere

. I want to improve in every way I can and going to camber I thought would really teach me better technique and more technical riding. I also plan on taking another private lesson so I have someone point out what I need to improve or tighten up.

The lesson is solid idea, especially a private. Make sure you go in with an idea of what you want to work on, as well as a list of questions you may have. Don't forget to utilize lift time to pick instructors brains.

tonyisnowhere · 12-04-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by davidjames

The lesson is solid idea, especially a private. Make sure you go in with an idea of what you want to work on, as well as a list of questions you may have. Don't forget to utilize lift time to pick instructors brains.

Thanks! Great Ideas!

poutanen · 12-04-2012, 09:24 PM

I ride a heavily cambered, very stiff, very directional board, and I still run a symmetrical setup (-12/+12 or so)... But look at some pros and some of them are all forward angles, some run mild duck, some symmetrical, etc.

Point of my story is you've got to find what works for you, and angle is just part of the equation. Best advice when setting up ANYTHING (boards, bindings, cars, etc.) is to change on variable at a time. In this case that's the board. Leave everything else equal and get used to that board for a couple days. After that fiddle if you want, but ONE THING AT A TIME!

I don't think you need to go back to bunny hills to ride a cambered deck. Go on runs you're used to but take it easy for a few runs to get the feel. I honestly don't think camber is nearly as scary as some people make it out to be!

12-02-2012, 09:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
tonyisnowhere Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Trenton NJ Posts: 218	New Binding angle set up Hey everyone just thought I would ask some experienced folks what is a good starting point for my Arbor Element CX (camber). It is a directional board so I was thinking more angle in front less in back. I have only ridden reverse camber snowboards and I keep them at 15, 15. Any suggestions would be appreciated. This board would be mainly used on groomers until I understand the ride. Thanks all

12-02-2012, 12:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
Gdog42 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: MI Posts: 405	If you're finding it a little difficult to go onto your heel edge, put less angle on the back binding. If not, then just keep it how it is. It's about whatever feels best for you. A good way of finding your stance is to put your boots on and stand on the board with them. Whatever stance feels the most comfortable in your riding direction is where you should mount them. Just make sure the distance from the tip of the board to the front binding is greater than or the same as it is for the back. I used to ride -15,15 but I had trouble turning on my heel edge, so I changed it to -6, 15. Worked great after that. I don't know what happened during the off-season, but when I tried on my board again recently it felt uncomfortable. I changed the front angle to 21 degrees and now it feels nice again. So, it doesn't matter what your stance is as long as it's comfortable for you and allows you to ride effectively. __________________ This is a tasty burger.

12-02-2012, 08:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
t21 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: mt. Posts: 264	your 15/-15 should be just fine. but if you are looking for a milder angle you can start with 15/-3 or 12/-3,-6 or even 9/-9 but its really up to you. i ride a camber deck with early rise but i started with regular camber(rental) and ended with 15/-3 for two season. but this season i changed it to 15/-6 and it felt a bit easier. though i have not tried this set-up on steeps and moguls yet. btw, snowolf is right,flat-basing on regular camber does freaking hurt __________________ 2011 Ride Antic 163 2011 Status Focus 158 NX2-AT

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12-02-2012, 12:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
phony_stark Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 488	This is something you will probably be able to answer better as you experiment. It's all preference. I do think, however, if you're going to be riding one direction the whole/majority of the time a lower, or even zero back binding will be helpful. Again, preference though.

12-04-2012, 09:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
poutanen Resident Creep-o-saurus Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 3,491	I ride a heavily cambered, very stiff, very directional board, and I still run a symmetrical setup (-12/+12 or so)... But look at some pros and some of them are all forward angles, some run mild duck, some symmetrical, etc. Point of my story is you've got to find what works for you, and angle is just part of the equation. Best advice when setting up ANYTHING (boards, bindings, cars, etc.) is to change on variable at a time. In this case that's the board. Leave everything else equal and get used to that board for a couple days. After that fiddle if you want, but ONE THING AT A TIME! I don't think you need to go back to bunny hills to ride a cambered deck. Go on runs you're used to but take it easy for a few runs to get the feel. I honestly don't think camber is nearly as scary as some people make it out to be!