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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-17-2012, 02:45 PM
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I had beers with some of the Rome guys over the weekend.
haven't seen anything but heard that Rome bindings are simplifying some of their parts next year, which, to me, is a step forward.
most of those guys are really good friends of mine and speaking personally, i think they make a pretty damn good product.
Referring to the costumer services rome has. Everyone here boasts them because they get freebies most of the time. From dealing with burton i must say that getting parts from such a huge company was rather hard, then when i needed something from rome, they sent me a bag full of parts i didnt need. i have to share my custom Burton bindings. trida's mixed with diodes.
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Thanks for the input so far folks! Any and all help is great!
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On that note when I look at the C60's vs the diodes it seems like there has been a major simplification/design change, e.g. fwd lean adjustment now integrated vs being a seperate set of parts on the highback. The base seems a lot simpler too. Is this a trend?
Well a few things happened:

1: we kept hearing feedback from our customers that our old highbacks had too much forward lean built into them. remember we're an east coast company and snow is generally firmer here than other places. Also, we have a lot of pipe riders on our team that actually want forward lean. So forward lean makes sense, but not everyone needs it. The caliber of rider that wants it is usually knowledge able figure out how to add it.

2: The C60, if you look at it's legacy, kept getting heavier since 1996 when we first introduced the X-Base. Functionally, it's just a really stiff binding but it kept putting on pounds for extra features to compensate for geometry or for the sake of having an extra feature. B3 gel, and this and that.

so we said, fuck all that, it needs Jenny Craiged. So we argued what's important and we argued in grams. So yes it is simple, either by consolidating/integrating features into a single part or just eliminating them because this customer generally doesn't care about them feature.
I.E. Formula 1 cars doesn't have CD players in them.
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Well a few things happened:

1: we kept hearing feedback from our customers that our old highbacks had too much forward lean built into them. remember we're an east coast company and snow is generally firmer here than other places. Also, we have a lot of pipe riders on our team that actually want forward lean. So forward lean makes sense, but not everyone needs it. The caliber of rider that wants it is usually knowledge able figure out how to add it.

2: The C60, if you look at it's legacy, kept getting heavier since 1996 when we first introduced the X-Base. Functionally, it's just a really stiff binding but it kept putting on pounds for extra features to compensate for geometry or for the sake of having an extra feature. B3 gel, and this and that.

so we said, fuck all that, it needs Jenny Craiged. So we argued what's important and we argued in grams. So yes it is simple, either by consolidating/integrating features into a single part or just eliminating them because this customer generally doesn't care about them feature.
I.E. Formula 1 cars doesn't have CD players in them.

cool, thanks for the insight
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Well a few things happened:

1: we kept hearing feedback from our customers that our old highbacks had too much forward lean built into them. remember we're an east coast company and snow is generally firmer here than other places. Also, we have a lot of pipe riders on our team that actually want forward lean. So forward lean makes sense, but not everyone needs it. The caliber of rider that wants it is usually knowledge able figure out how to add it.

2: The C60, if you look at it's legacy, kept getting heavier since 1996 when we first introduced the X-Base. Functionally, it's just a really stiff binding but it kept putting on pounds for extra features to compensate for geometry or for the sake of having an extra feature. B3 gel, and this and that.

so we said, fuck all that, it needs Jenny Craiged. So we argued what's important and we argued in grams. So yes it is simple, either by consolidating/integrating features into a single part or just eliminating them because this customer generally doesn't care about them feature.
I.E. Formula 1 cars doesn't have CD players in them.

Jenny Craiged. hahahahahaha
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2: The C60, if you look at it's legacy, kept getting heavier since 1996 when we first introduced the X-Base. Functionally, it's just a really stiff binding but it kept putting on pounds for extra features to compensate for geometry or for the sake of having an extra feature. B3 gel, and this and that.
Man I wish I had seen this thread earlier! I for one love the C60s... However I just bought some diodes (non-EST) to try out against the 2009 C60s on my main freeride board.

Holding them in person I was actually impressed with the torsional stiffness of the highback. I thought they were going to be wet noodles compared to the C60 highback but not so. They feel about 90% as stiff as the C60 highback.

Also the toe caps remind me of my 2011 C60s, I actually swapped those onto the 2009s and vise versa. The 2009 heel strap and 2011 toe cap was a good combo. It looks like the Diode keeps the best of the two C60s before it. I'll be trying them out tomorrow so we'll see!
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Ill give you some feeback on the diodes. They need a strengthening cross member at the top of the highback. As they are now the top of the highback is extremely vulnerable to being knocked and chips very easily, once chipped cracks start to propogate and you know the rest.
I love my diodes, but I constantly fear breaking the highbacks again. I even remove the highbacks during travel and take them with me in my carry on luggage cause one knock is all it takes and they break.
Also the stick on pads that act as a barrier between the highback and the heel cup, they dont last long.

I fucking love the way they ride, but they are fragile mofo's lol.
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diodes ride perfect. i'd maybe improve the durability and adherence of all foam padding on the highback and footbed. i'd use a slightly harder but tougher foam or rubber.

Burton Bindings - mad props for your partnership with Spark R&D. would love to see the carbon highbacks turn up there too if its possible with the metal heelcup - Karakoram offers CF on their higher-end joint.
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Im actually stoked the sparks dont have carbon highbacks. I wouldnt have bought them if they did. Failures in the resort are one thing but miles out in the BC are a nightmare, plastics are much more durable.
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Failures in the resort are one thing but miles out in the BC are a nightmare, plastics are much more durable.
i'd never disagree with you on that - but it'd be nice if it was an option. maybe offer it as an add on like the Burner upgrade kit.

there is a market for it as evidenced by competing product lines. Karakorum run carbon highbacks and i haven't really read about any of those breaking. i have confidence that Spark would test them until they're proven before releasing them like they seem to be with the Edison. i think they learned from the lesson of the Blaze v1.0 straps...

edit: i should't have said 'the carbon highback' in the first post, i mean A carbon highback - maybe a stronger one for bc

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