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post #81 of 130 (permalink) Old 12-25-2012, 06:55 AM
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OP i highly recommend the 390 boss's and the new cartels. Formulas surprised me last year. Very solid bindings for the price. IMO i don't think union has changed a damn thing on the forces in the past 5 year (except the toe strap which got worse) but continue to charge top dollar. Not bashing them just saying.
As someone who's owned several models of Forces over the past 5 years I can tell you they've changed a lot.
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OP i highly recommend the 390 boss's and the new cartels. Formulas surprised me last year. Very solid bindings for the price. IMO i don't think union has changed a damn thing on the forces in the past 5 year (except the toe strap which got worse) but continue to charge top dollar. Not bashing them just saying.
The ignorance is big with this one..

I wasn't aware the Force was a "top dollar" binding haha, the Cartel is more expensive than it.
And yes, there have been changes.

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i have to say i have used ride contrabands for 3 years and they are pretty good.
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Dude probably will never call and get a solution offered by the owner of union..... I'm sure he has more fun bitching about it.....
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Lotsa LULZ going on in this thread....
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As someone who's owned several models of Forces over the past 5 years I can tell you they've changed a lot.
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The ignorance is big with this one..

I wasn't aware the Force was a "top dollar" binding haha, the Cartel is more expensive than it.
And yes, there have been changes.
Genuine inquiry, what's changed other than toe strap? And for my sake lets go back to year one. I think I can name some stuff, but I'd rather just hear it from a Union supporter.

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Yo OP if you don't want the Unions I'll buy em. yo Union INHOUSE can you fix em if I buy em! ha.
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Yo OP if you don't want the Unions I'll buy em. yo Union INHOUSE can you fix em if I buy em! ha.
lol thats alright, i plan on sticking it out this season with them. im going to call Union INHOUSE later on today to finally go over the issues.
Next season when I get a new deck ill grab a revised set of the now IPO or 390 bosses and see how they compare.


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Genuine inquiry, what's changed other than toe strap? And for my sake lets go back to year one. I think I can name some stuff, but I'd rather just hear it from a Union supporter.
Everything has been upgraded over the years except the heel loop and forward lean adjuster (which don't need to be).

Redesigned the ankle strap adjustment mechanism
Redesigned the ankle and toe ratchets
Redesigned the ankle strap (softer and lower profile)
Added multiple toe strap positions to the baseplate
They increased the size of the foam dampening pads
Added a padded footbed
Added a padded highback

They've pretty much addressed each of the gripes people have had over the years, including the toe strap. Outside of Flux's FTM cap (which I don't think they use anymore), Union's split strap is as good as any other that I've ridden.
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Everything has been upgraded over the years except the heel loop and forward lean adjuster (which don't need to be).

Redesigned the ankle strap adjustment mechanism
Redesigned the ankle and toe ratchets
Redesigned the ankle strap (softer and lower profile)
Added multiple toe strap positions to the baseplate
They increased the size of the foam dampening pads
Added a padded footbed
Added a padded highback

They've pretty much addressed each of the gripes people have had over the years, including the toe strap. Outside of Flux's FTM cap (which I don't think they use anymore), Union's split strap is as good as any other that I've ridden.
Ratchets and straps from my 2006 P1's are better then 2013 forces. Toe strap is designed in a weird shape, more boxy boot shapes don't fit that good. ratchets don't release until you kung fu whack them. And the P1's have airbags, better pressure distribution on the ankle strap and are 6 years older. Goes to show.... I have my friends forces right here, as well as the P1's. Forces just don't feel good at all.
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