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Old 01-03-2013, 05:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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How many times have you ridden them?

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When your pulling up on the ratchet do you just pull the lever up? I have found with some bindings they open easier if you pull the ratchet lever up with your main fingers while applying pressure downwards on the opposite end of the lever with your thumb.

Wow thats hard to explain, but hopefully it will help
^ This helps, i know what you're trying to say
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I have ridden them for 15 hours in total. Everything is great about the bindings except the toe strap.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The toe strap buckle will not be as buttery as a burton ever, but will loosen up around day 7 or so.

I prefer the non-compromise of Union's strap/buckle because I know it's not coming off of my boot until I want it to. I can't say the same for a couple of other binding companies I use(d).

It just takes a small pop a the end of the run, use some muscles. However, if taking off a toe strap with more effort is that much of a deal breaker....move on, I guess.

JoeJoe, how many teeth are showing on the ladder when you're cranked down?

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Old 01-03-2013, 06:07 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I'd agree, my Burton's were like butter pulling off the toe strap and these are a bit of a struggle. Other than that, I like the Union's very much. Althoughhhhh it is a pain because the Cartel's were a quick flip and I was out of my binding and ready to go and these take me a few seconds more.
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The toe strap buckle will not be as buttery as a burton ever, but will loosen up around day 7 or so.

I prefer the non-compromise of Union's strap/buckle because I know it's not coming off of my boot until I want it to. I can't say the same for a couple of other binding companies I use(d).

It just takes a small pop a the end of the run, use some muscles. However, if taking off a toe strap with more effort is that much of a deal breaker....move on, I guess.

JoeJoe, how many teeth are showing on the ladder when you're cranked down?
Nah, this isn't ever going to get better. I'm about 20+ days on mine and it's still the same. It appears the teeth have quite a slant on them so the stopper in the ratchet doesn't release cleanly. It really gets locked in there. Burton and Flux use a 3 stage ratchet design and Union is a 2. They release in different ways. What you do get though is absolutely no stripping of the ladder with this design. 3 stage ratchets lift as you ratchet and skip teeth. It's a trade off either way. I prefer the ratcheting power of the Union ratchets over the easy release of the Burton and Flux.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:50 PM   #16 (permalink)
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3D Thingrip Toe Strap Upgrade Kit Bindings | Ride Snowboards 2012-2013

Some guy before has macgyver-ed these into unions before. If I was ever going to get Unions...this would be the first mod I do.
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When your pulling up on the ratchet do you just pull the lever up? I have found with some bindings they open easier if you pull the ratchet lever up with your main fingers while applying pressure downwards on the opposite end of the lever with your thumb.

Wow thats hard to explain, but hopefully it will help
That's what I do with my Unions. Especially on the toe strap ratchet.

When I struggle to release it it's because I've forgotten that part - applying opposite pressure.

Really not an issue; no struggle or brute force required that way.

Good luck.
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What's with Union and their toe caps! I hear they're good but there's always a complaint with the toe caps.
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:37 PM   #19 (permalink)
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It's a pretty antiquated argument. They had a toecap before 2011-2012 where, if you didn't dial it in correctly it would slip off of the toe. I had the problem as well, but then I sat down and figured it out. The pre produciton, new designed toe cap was a little big and people who demo'd were up in arms, so they fixed that too.

The current production toecap, aside from the buckles being a little sticky, is my favorite as it grips the boot in every condition I have encountered.

Word on the street is Union has quick release buckles for 2014....that's just word on the street.

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It's a pretty antiquated argument. They had a toecap before 2011-2012 where, if you didn't dial it in correctly it would slip off of the toe. I had the problem as well, but then I sat down and figured it out.

The new toecap, aside from the buckles being a little sticky, is my favorite as it grips the boot in every condition I have encountered.

Word on the street is Union has quick release buckles for 2014....that's just word on the street.
Gonna disagree...... Union toe cap works great with square toe boots... sucks with rounded smooth toe boots. Union said issue was my Salomon boots and recommended I change my boot brand (to more of a boxed toed boot) to fix my issue with toe cap. To their credit they did offer to send older Force toe caps.

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