2013 union binding >HELP< - Page 10 - Snowboarding Forum

East§ide · 01-16-2013, 09:50 AM

heres my take :

for a binding specific company to have SO many issues and SO many complaints, it is clearly not the user who is at fault. While you could probably make a billion minute adjustments to somehow make the bindings work for you, the sad truth is that the same issues that were on the 2010, 2011, and 2012 Unions continue to appear on the newer versions. The toe strap is garbage..i stood in zumiez yesterday and compared it to every single toe cap they had..from ride EX's to burton citizen womens bindings..they were the floppiest, thinnest toe caps with the absolute least amount of friction-causing material on the inside of the toe caps. Holding them next to a pair of Burton Mission bindings, the Missions seemed better in literally every sense. I just wish that Union would take some feedback from their customers and make the simple changes that we're all hoping for.

arnyxp · 01-16-2013, 10:02 AM

So after figuring out that to undo my toe strap all you have to do is push+pull i have to say... i love my union contacts they're sooooo sick. the ankle straps undo so easily and the toe strap give me the security i need cause i know they won't slip.

still have to see how my paint holds up though seeing thats the 2nd major complaint.

East§ide · 01-16-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by arnyxp

So after figuring out that to undo my toe strap all you have to do is push+pull i have to say... i love my union contacts they're sooooo sick. the ankle straps undo so easily and the toe strap give me the security i need cause i know they won't slip.

still have to see how my paint holds up though seeing thats the 2nd major complaint.

i hope they dont slip..

also, the paint on my acid green forces is shot..the plastic is one color, the metal another, the leather another, the padding another..and the heelcup is all chewed up

Extremo · 01-16-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by East§ide

heres my take :

for a binding specific company to have SO many issues and SO many complaints, it is clearly not the user who is at fault. While you could probably make a billion minute adjustments to somehow make the bindings work for you, the sad truth is that the same issues that were on the 2010, 2011, and 2012 Unions continue to appear on the newer versions. The toe strap is garbage..i stood in zumiez yesterday and compared it to every single toe cap they had..from ride EX's to burton citizen womens bindings..they were the floppiest, thinnest toe caps with the absolute least amount of friction-causing material on the inside of the toe caps. Holding them next to a pair of Burton Mission bindings, the Missions seemed better in literally every sense. I just wish that Union would take some feedback from their customers and make the simple changes that we're all hoping for.

You have so many complaints because such a large percent of the snowboard community is riding them. From my time on the hill, as well as my experience in this forum, I know more people riding Union than any other brand. I'm almost starting to notice more people ride Union than all other brands combined.

And 90% of the complaints are pathetic. 4-5 years ago they had a problem with their toe ratchets. They redesigned them. People didn't like the 2nd generation toe cap. They redesigned it. People wanted more dampening on the foot bed. They redesigned it. The complaints now are just from pathetic whiners. The bindings are great just the way they are.

Mel M · 01-16-2013, 10:23 AM

Yeah, unfortunately I have to agree. The problem is I liked everything else about the Union Atlases over most Burtons when I bought them last year. The high back, ankle strap, heelcup adjustability, etc. The cap strap kept slipping off during runs whether I had on my Burton Rampants or Salomon Synapses, even on mellow runs.

I just bought Burton Getta-grip toe straps and now it's perfect, but it would be nice not to have this issue out of the box.

East§ide · 01-16-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Extremo

You have so many complaints because such a large percent of the snowboard community is riding them. From my time on the hill, as well as my experience in this forum, I know more people riding Union than any other brand. I'm almost starting to notice more people ride Union than all other brands combined.

And 90% of the complaints are pathetic. 4-5 years ago they had a problem with their toe ratchets. They redesigned them. People didn't like the 2nd generation toe cap. They redesigned it. People wanted more dampening on the foot bed. They redesigned it. The complaints now are just from pathetic whiners. The bindings are great just the way they are.

im starting to wonder if you work with them or are trying for a sponsorship? i would say that more people ride one form or another of Burton bindings than any other...from LTR rentals to Genesis and Diodes, and you NEVER hear people complaining about the quality of the bindings. I'm not kidding when i say my gf's old starter pair of Burton Citizen bindings that cost $120.00 seem to be made of better quality and just make more SENSE. The toe cap makes no sense to me, i dont care how you spin it... leather is not good when it is wet, and it expect a toe cap to hold a boot in securely when it is shapeless, and has a leather interior with NO texture or rubber is inane and clearly someone doesn't understand the concept of friction. i can't for the life of me fathom how redesigning their toe cap somehow makes it okay that the second design sucks..guess what? you can redesign a car and it can still be a redesigned piece of shit. im happy you like them, but to call an entire group of people who dropped a nice chunk of change on an underwhelming product "whiners" just shows how tightly you're dangling from their sack

Extremo · 01-16-2013, 11:20 AM

Seriously, the Union toe strap is better than my Burton getagrip strap (for those following along, the getagrip isn't that responsive). Just because you either don't like it or can't figure it out doesn't mean you have to dedicate your life to ripping on them. You should try like... snowboarding, or something.

East§ide · 01-16-2013, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Extremo

Seriously, the Union toe strap is better than my Burton getagrip strap (for those following along, the getagrip isn't that responsive). Just because you either don't like it or can't figure it out doesn't mean you have to dedicate your life to ripping on them. You should try like... snowboarding, or something.

i do like, snowboard or something, assclown. i would say you're far more dedicated to kissing Union's ass than i am to ripping on them. I'm giving an honest assessment of the problems I've had with my unions..im 27 years old, I have a full time career, I'm pretty sure I can figure out how to set up bindings..I've tried every position for both the ankle and toe caps..it doesnt matter how you spin it, wet leather does not provide ANY sort of grip, and the shapeless floppy flacid piece of perforated leather doesnt even fit correctly around the toe box of most boots. I'm entirely entitled to my opinion (which is based in FACT), and not liking them due to a major part of their binding is a fair reason to complain.

Extremo · 01-16-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by East§ide

i do like, snowboard or something, assclown. i would say you're far more dedicated to kissing Union's ass than i am to ripping on them. I'm giving an honest assessment of the problems I've had with my unions..im 27 years old, I have a full time career, I'm pretty sure I can figure out how to set up bindings..I've tried every position for both the ankle and toe caps..it doesnt matter how you spin it, wet leather does not provide ANY sort of grip, and the shapeless floppy flacid piece of perforated leather doesnt even fit correctly around the toe box of most boots. I'm entirely entitled to my opinion (which is based in FACT), and not liking them due to a major part of their binding is a fair reason to complain.

So you'd rather spend your sullen life pissing over something instead of moving on. I hated my experience with flux. You don't see me jumping on every flux thread bashing the company. I found something I liked better. Some people like Flux better, I don't.

Maybe you need new boots if you can't get the toe strap to fit. I've ridden the BFB's and 32 sonics, both with rounded toes and the Andreas Wiigs and currently the Celsius Cirrus, both with boxed toes and had no problems with either. I don't know why you're havng a hard time. Sale season is coming, try Ride or something.

East§ide · 01-16-2013, 11:50 AM

im just going to go back to cartels or missions..since the missions are basically last years cartels. i just feel like if you have an issue with Union, you get bashed on for it. I'm clearly not the only one having these problems, and I'm sure not everyone is using the same boot as me.
I don't have a sullen life, but considering you're sitting in front of a computer also, what's your excuse? I'm letting people know my personal experience with my bindings..not everyone is made of money and can just go and grab a new set of bindings or boots when they're unhappy with the product.
Again, im not pissing over anything..if people asked me about my board or boot experience id be just as honest..for better or worse

01-16-2013, 09:50 AM	#91 (permalink)
East§ide Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 807 Blog Entries: 1	heres my take : for a binding specific company to have SO many issues and SO many complaints, it is clearly not the user who is at fault. While you could probably make a billion minute adjustments to somehow make the bindings work for you, the sad truth is that the same issues that were on the 2010, 2011, and 2012 Unions continue to appear on the newer versions. The toe strap is garbage..i stood in zumiez yesterday and compared it to every single toe cap they had..from ride EX's to burton citizen womens bindings..they were the floppiest, thinnest toe caps with the absolute least amount of friction-causing material on the inside of the toe caps. Holding them next to a pair of Burton Mission bindings, the Missions seemed better in literally every sense. I just wish that Union would take some feedback from their customers and make the simple changes that we're all hoping for. __________________ Never Summer Evo 153/Restricted ReFlex Cartel Gnu Danny Kass 156 BTX

01-16-2013, 11:50 AM	#100 (permalink)
East§ide Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 807 Blog Entries: 1	im just going to go back to cartels or missions..since the missions are basically last years cartels. i just feel like if you have an issue with Union, you get bashed on for it. I'm clearly not the only one having these problems, and I'm sure not everyone is using the same boot as me. I don't have a sullen life, but considering you're sitting in front of a computer also, what's your excuse? I'm letting people know my personal experience with my bindings..not everyone is made of money and can just go and grab a new set of bindings or boots when they're unhappy with the product. Again, im not pissing over anything..if people asked me about my board or boot experience id be just as honest..for better or worse __________________ Never Summer Evo 153/Restricted ReFlex Cartel Gnu Danny Kass 156 BTX

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01-16-2013, 10:02 AM	#92 (permalink)
arnyxp Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Meow town Posts: 11	So after figuring out that to undo my toe strap all you have to do is push+pull i have to say... i love my union contacts they're sooooo sick. the ankle straps undo so easily and the toe strap give me the security i need cause i know they won't slip. still have to see how my paint holds up though seeing thats the 2nd major complaint.

01-16-2013, 10:23 AM	#95 (permalink)
Mel M Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 116	Yeah, unfortunately I have to agree. The problem is I liked everything else about the Union Atlases over most Burtons when I bought them last year. The high back, ankle strap, heelcup adjustability, etc. The cap strap kept slipping off during runs whether I had on my Burton Rampants or Salomon Synapses, even on mellow runs. I just bought Burton Getta-grip toe straps and now it's perfect, but it would be nice not to have this issue out of the box.

01-16-2013, 11:20 AM	#97 (permalink)
Extremo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NH Posts: 3,122	Seriously, the Union toe strap is better than my Burton getagrip strap (for those following along, the getagrip isn't that responsive). Just because you either don't like it or can't figure it out doesn't mean you have to dedicate your life to ripping on them. You should try like... snowboarding, or something.