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post #41 of 125 (permalink) Old 01-13-2013, 05:24 PM
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There already is an easy way to open it. Pressing and lifting simultaneously. It's just as easy without the lever as it is with it. Just some people for whatever reason can't seem to figure it out. Low IQ? Who knows.
Yes you're right. I know it's easy when done correctly.

What I'm saying is that there are people out there who can't seem to figure out how do release it correctly/easily, which it appears you've also observed. I see them almost every time I'm in the lift line.
The very first time I did it I didn't realize I had to pull up on the front with my index finger while pushing down on the back end with my thumb at the same time. That was with the easier DLX ratchets. Now I have the Force ratchets, although I'm doing it the right way they still need a good amount of effort to release when fully cranked down. It's an issue. No matter how good they hold, they simply shouldn't be a pain in the ass the release.

Think of it like this: With a release lever you get the same performance but with 2 ways to release it- the same traditional way and an obvious way, for those guys that moan about it.

I imagine that Union will be adding this next season for financial reasons, too. Most of the time the toe ratchets are their only complaint, and if they crack down on it and fix the issue there will be much less complaints, resulting in more sales.
More sales = more money
More money = good brand lasting longer

I don't want to see Union bindings lose popularity and fall because of something as stupid as a missing extension of plastic. I'm pretty sure that you don't neither, so you should be happy that they're pushing hard to stay competitive by their fixing their only real problem.

It might not be a problem for you and me because we're aware of the easy way to release the ratchets; but it is a problem for anyone else who buys the bindings and doesn't read this forum or doesn't realize how to do it the easy way.
It's not like the ratchets are going to lose anything they already have, so I don't see what's wrong with it. It's all beneficial.

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Yes you're right. I know it's easy when done correctly.

What I'm saying is that there are people out there who can't seem to figure out how do release it correctly/easily, which it appears you've also observed. I see them almost every time I'm in the lift line.
The very first time I did it I didn't realize I had to pull up on the front with my index finger while pushing down on the back end with my thumb at the same time. That was with the easier DLX ratchets. Now I have the Force ratchets, although I'm doing it the right way they still need a good amount of effort to release when fully cranked down. It's an issue. No matter how good they hold, they simply shouldn't be a pain in the ass the release.

Think of it like this: With a release lever you get the same performance but with 2 ways to release it- the same traditional way and an obvious way, for those guys that moan about it.

I imagine that Union will be adding this next season for financial reasons, too. Most of the time the toe ratchets are their only complaint, and if they crack down on it and fix the issue there will be much less complaints, resulting in more sales.
More sales = more money
More money = good brand lasting longer

I don't want to see Union bindings lose popularity and fall because of something as stupid as a missing extension of plastic. I'm pretty sure that you don't neither, so you should be happy that they're pushing hard to stay competitive by their fixing their only real problem.

It might not be a problem for you and me because we're aware of the easy way to release the ratchets; but it is a problem for anyone else who buys the bindings and doesn't read this forum or doesn't realize how to do it the easy way.
It's not like the ratchets are going to lose anything they already have, so I don't see what's wrong with it. It's all beneficial.

Now, who wants bacon?
http://www.snowboardingforum.com/off...137-bacon.html
It's unnecessary. Especially just to appease a few dipshits who can't figure out how to release a toe strap. If they're having that hard of a time, maybe the other complexities of snowboarding may be too much for them too. Consider it a litmus test.
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All I can think of reading this thread is:

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It's unnecessary. Especially just to appease a few dipshits who can't figure out how to release a toe strap. If they're having that hard of a time, maybe the other complexities of snowboarding may be too much for them too. Consider it a litmus test.
You know...I was actually on your side of things in the begining of this thread. But your nasty attitude and absolute inability to even attempt to look at things in another persepective has changed that.

OK...so lets assume you are right and there is no problem and everyone else out there is just stupid. Maybe union should at least put proper way to release in their own INSTRUCTIONS. Not everyone is a pro, not everyone who buys a union binding is going to be an expert or know that there is a particular way to do this. Many of them are going to be frustrated and not understand why their binding is giving them so much shit...so they will take it back.

I am a very new rider. Bought a pair of union flite bindings after my very first day of boarding. Very first night when I set them up in my living room I got one stuck. (I did say earlier I had never had one stick, but I was mistaken) Managed to yank it free and then came here to this forum to see what was up. Discovered that there was an easier way of doing things and have not had a single issue since. Love my bindings. But I had already found this site. Had I not known there were sites like this out there I would have popped those babies right back in the box and exchanged them for the purple burtons I was looking at in the same trip. Why is is such a BFD to you for them to put a simple stupid peice of plastic there to help out some newbies or some people who may have never rocked a union binding before? Or at the very least make mention of the mechanism in the instructions that come in the box?

I should not have to go searching online to figure out how to use my gear. Something like "how to release ratchet" should be included on that little sheet of paper that says "how to mount binding".

Again....Love my union bindings so far. Don't love your superior attitude or your assesment that anyone who would like to have a release lever or proper instructions is just stupid. That is assinine and makes you look like some 15 year old stuborn child playing on his mommys computer. Just saying.
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You know...I was actually on your side of things in the begining of this thread. But your nasty attitude and absolute inability to even attempt to look at things in another persepective has changed that.

OK...so lets assume you are right and there is no problem and everyone else out there is just stupid. Maybe union should at least put proper way to release in their own INSTRUCTIONS. Not everyone is a pro, not everyone who buys a union binding is going to be an expert or know that there is a particular way to do this. Many of them are going to be frustrated and not understand why their binding is giving them so much shit...so they will take it back.

I am a very new rider. Bought a pair of union flite bindings after my very first day of boarding. Very first night when I set them up in my living room I got one stuck. (I did say earlier I had never had one stick, but I was mistaken) Managed to yank it free and then came here to this forum to see what was up. Discovered that there was an easier way of doing things and have not had a single issue since. Love my bindings. But I had already found this site. Had I not known there were sites like this out there I would have popped those babies right back in the box and exchanged them for the purple burtons I was looking at in the same trip. Why is is such a BFD to you for them to put a simple stupid peice of plastic there to help out some newbies or some people who may have never rocked a union binding before? Or at the very least make mention of the mechanism in the instructions that come in the box?

I should not have to go searching online to figure out how to use my gear. Something like "how to release ratchet" should be included on that little sheet of paper that says "how to mount binding".

Again....Love my union bindings so far. Don't love your superior attitude or your assesment that anyone who would like to have a release lever or proper instructions is just stupid. That is assinine and makes you look like some 15 year old stuborn child playing on his mommys computer. Just saying.
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Yep, some people just can't accept change. Even if it's a good thing.

Extremo, I honestly would have expected you to support Union's decision to do something about their toe strap ratchets if you like the brand so much.

Or maybe they should paint "PUSH HERE" on the back of the ratchets and "PULL HERE" ON THE FRONT... but then paint chips off. So, that wouldn't be a solution.

Adding a release lever will make EVERYONE IN THE SNOWBOARDING WORLD happy, or at least ok, with Union bindings. That will also help people like us because we wouldn't have to waste our time on the forums explaining to everyone who complains the easiest way to release them.

Besides, it's Union- whatever they do is still going to be the same good indestructible shit, so there's nothing to worry about!
Except the paint.
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You know...I was actually on your side of things in the begining of this thread. But your nasty attitude and absolute inability to even attempt to look at things in another persepective has changed that.

OK...so lets assume you are right and there is no problem and everyone else out there is just stupid. Maybe union should at least put proper way to release in their own INSTRUCTIONS. Not everyone is a pro, not everyone who buys a union binding is going to be an expert or know that there is a particular way to do this. Many of them are going to be frustrated and not understand why their binding is giving them so much shit...so they will take it back.

I am a very new rider. Bought a pair of union flite bindings after my very first day of boarding. Very first night when I set them up in my living room I got one stuck. (I did say earlier I had never had one stick, but I was mistaken) Managed to yank it free and then came here to this forum to see what was up. Discovered that there was an easier way of doing things and have not had a single issue since. Love my bindings. But I had already found this site. Had I not known there were sites like this out there I would have popped those babies right back in the box and exchanged them for the purple burtons I was looking at in the same trip. Why is is such a BFD to you for them to put a simple stupid peice of plastic there to help out some newbies or some people who may have never rocked a union binding before? Or at the very least make mention of the mechanism in the instructions that come in the box?

I should not have to go searching online to figure out how to use my gear. Something like "how to release ratchet" should be included on that little sheet of paper that says "how to mount binding".

Again....Love my union bindings so far. Don't love your superior attitude or your assesment that anyone who would like to have a release lever or proper instructions is just stupid. That is assinine and makes you look like some 15 year old stuborn child playing on his mommys computer. Just saying.
Sorry to sound like a dick, but if you'd been around this forum for any length of time, you'd know the Union/Anti-Union debate has been heated for a long long time. It was once Burton/Anti-Burton (talk about fucking childish).

I'm all for a good brand battle, whatever floats your board. But some people know the difference between a newb having trouble figuring something out for the first time, and a legitimate design flaw. My ranting was aimed at the latter.
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Besides, it's Union- whatever they do is still going to be the same good indestructible shit, so there's nothing to worry about!
Except the paint.
I already know I am going to get a bunch of crap for this question...but I dont care. You think if I sent mine out to be powder coated it would void my union warranty? Think that would solve my issue with the paint chipping?
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I already know I am going to get a bunch of crap for this question...but I dont care. You think if I sent mine out to be powder coated it would void my union warranty? Think that would solve my issue with the paint chipping?
Save your money Snowboard stuff gets dinged up... can't be avoided. If it gets bad enough that it really bothers you sell your current stuff next fall and buy new gear.
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