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BurtonBindings · 01-24-2013, 07:45 PM

the misalignment is due to mis adjustment of the toe slider and / or the position of the tongue and slider of the baseplate as it relates to the boot shape and size.
it's also compounded by the user twisting the buckle during use, sending a pitch into the system which make the buckle teeth drive into the one side of the tongue.

it can be compensated for by using a stiffer TPU, but the tongues would break more often because people habitually step on them.

Trust me when i say this having the Smooth Glide buckle being around for a decade; if Jake or our team felt it was fundamentally flawed; I wouldn't be making bindings for them.

tokyo_dom · 01-24-2013, 08:42 PM

Ok disregarding the part about me twisting the buckle (because i can guarantee that i am holding it straight, it is only by 'twisting it' that i can get it to engage), can you explain more about the mis-adjustment of the toe slider and/or the position of the tongue & slider of the baseplate?

I have not made any any adjustments to the mounting points of the straps; I have only extended the straps a single hole so that they seem 'centred' when looking down at the top of my boot.

Some previous posters suggested looking up youtube for instructions on setting up these other adjustments, but i did not see anything that related to the 2012/13 Mission Restricteds

I also couldnt find a single bit of info about this supposedly reversible ankle strap. How do i reverse it? Left side strap flipped and used on the right side? Just flipped to the other side of the same binding?

Also another point after re-reading some of the previous comments; is it possible to get the toe-strap from a Cartel/Malavita/high end boot and fit it to the Missions? Can you buy spare parts like that? I figure i would only want it on the strap that gets the most abuse - my left-side toe strap

tokyo_dom · 01-25-2013, 07:47 PM

Ok update time. As i said I brought the left binding back to the shop for warranty, and i got them back just now. Burton replaced the toe-strap (both the cap and the ladder/tongue), and the shop also made some adjustments to show how they should be for my size boots (mounted the toe strap to the back mounting position so its leaning more forward than up)

Night and Day. The new toe strap doesnt skip at ALL anymore. To the point where its actually a bit catchy taking it off, but I dont mind that at all. Its to the point that the right side toe strap now feels a bit skippy (since that is only done up twice a day i am not so worried about taking time on that side)

Also turned out my gas pedal was out too far (under toe pad) so I now have them mounted on my board with proper setup, and they feel much better.

I want to thank everyone that contributed on this thread, especially BurtonBindings - not sure if you said something to the Japanese warranty team, but they gave me a much better one in return. Looking forward to trying them out tomorrow!

Extremo · 01-26-2013, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tokyo_dom

Burton replaced the toe-strap (both the cap and the ladder/tongue), and the shop also made some adjustments to show how they should be for my size boots (mounted the toe strap to the back mounting position so its leaning more forward than up)

This was probably what was causing the misalignment to begin with. I'm surprised someone didn't mention it earlier.

tokyo_dom · 01-27-2013, 09:05 PM

It might have been a small factor, but the new strap is definitely much tighter.

With the toe strap on the front position, the right side would skip much less than the left side. With the toe strap moved back, it hasnt changed on the right side (still skips unless i hold the front of the clip), but that is manageable.

The warranty returned strap however, doesnt matter what i do, it just grips and grips. Havent had it slip once yet.

And after a day out on the snow, i can confirm that i am happy with the bindings again. Still not the easiest to put on, due to the curvature of the ankle strap etc (definitely have to sit down to do them), but they are comfy, and have just the right amount of flex for me. Also changed my stance to +15/-15 and no longer have sore knees.

For the boots, i took out the insole of the right side, and used some thin suit socks instead of sports socks, and no more pain there. As that side pads out I can put the insole back in, and then also eventually move to thicker socks.

01-24-2013, 08:42 PM	#32 (permalink)
tokyo_dom Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 124	Ok disregarding the part about me twisting the buckle (because i can guarantee that i am holding it straight, it is only by 'twisting it' that i can get it to engage), can you explain more about the mis-adjustment of the toe slider and/or the position of the tongue & slider of the baseplate? I have not made any any adjustments to the mounting points of the straps; I have only extended the straps a single hole so that they seem 'centred' when looking down at the top of my boot. Some previous posters suggested looking up youtube for instructions on setting up these other adjustments, but i did not see anything that related to the 2012/13 Mission Restricteds I also couldnt find a single bit of info about this supposedly reversible ankle strap. How do i reverse it? Left side strap flipped and used on the right side? Just flipped to the other side of the same binding? Also another point after re-reading some of the previous comments; is it possible to get the toe-strap from a Cartel/Malavita/high end boot and fit it to the Missions? Can you buy spare parts like that? I figure i would only want it on the strap that gets the most abuse - my left-side toe strap Last edited by tokyo_dom; 01-24-2013 at 08:45 PM.

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01-24-2013, 07:45 PM	#31 (permalink)
BurtonBindings -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Burlington, VT, USA Posts: 53	the misalignment is due to mis adjustment of the toe slider and / or the position of the tongue and slider of the baseplate as it relates to the boot shape and size. it's also compounded by the user twisting the buckle during use, sending a pitch into the system which make the buckle teeth drive into the one side of the tongue. it can be compensated for by using a stiffer TPU, but the tongues would break more often because people habitually step on them. Trust me when i say this having the Smooth Glide buckle being around for a decade; if Jake or our team felt it was fundamentally flawed; I wouldn't be making bindings for them.

01-25-2013, 07:47 PM	#33 (permalink)
tokyo_dom Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 124	Ok update time. As i said I brought the left binding back to the shop for warranty, and i got them back just now. Burton replaced the toe-strap (both the cap and the ladder/tongue), and the shop also made some adjustments to show how they should be for my size boots (mounted the toe strap to the back mounting position so its leaning more forward than up) Night and Day. The new toe strap doesnt skip at ALL anymore. To the point where its actually a bit catchy taking it off, but I dont mind that at all. Its to the point that the right side toe strap now feels a bit skippy (since that is only done up twice a day i am not so worried about taking time on that side) Also turned out my gas pedal was out too far (under toe pad) so I now have them mounted on my board with proper setup, and they feel much better. I want to thank everyone that contributed on this thread, especially BurtonBindings - not sure if you said something to the Japanese warranty team, but they gave me a much better one in return. Looking forward to trying them out tomorrow!

01-27-2013, 09:05 PM	#35 (permalink)
tokyo_dom Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 124	It might have been a small factor, but the new strap is definitely much tighter. With the toe strap on the front position, the right side would skip much less than the left side. With the toe strap moved back, it hasnt changed on the right side (still skips unless i hold the front of the clip), but that is manageable. The warranty returned strap however, doesnt matter what i do, it just grips and grips. Havent had it slip once yet. And after a day out on the snow, i can confirm that i am happy with the bindings again. Still not the easiest to put on, due to the curvature of the ankle strap etc (definitely have to sit down to do them), but they are comfy, and have just the right amount of flex for me. Also changed my stance to +15/-15 and no longer have sore knees. For the boots, i took out the insole of the right side, and used some thin suit socks instead of sports socks, and no more pain there. As that side pads out I can put the insole back in, and then also eventually move to thicker socks.