Burton Cartel, chewed up boots...HELP! - Page 2 - Snowboarding Forum

m0rph3us · 01-23-2013, 01:09 PM

After reading this I had a look at my Burton Rulers when I got home. They have a line down the back of the calf/heel that looks like its designed to try and grip the ridges in the heel cup. No idea if it actually makes any difference to riding.

BurtonBindings · 01-23-2013, 03:36 PM

Yep. That ridge down the back of the boots is called a backstay. It's a polymer or co-polymer that adds some rigidity to the boots so the don't break down as fast with boots without it. We put those ridges in the highback to interlock with the ridges of our boots for better heel hold.

It's unfortunate that other companies don't use such backstays because it does drastically pro-long the life of a boot. However, I can assure you that we didn't put them there to sabotage your non-burton boots.

Also, they've been in our highbacks for several years dating back to 2007.

m0rph3us · 01-23-2013, 03:41 PM

^^ This makes me pretty stoked to have just bought some Burton Cartels to go with my Ruler boots (which I love).

super-rad · 01-23-2013, 04:12 PM

I have 2012 Cartel Restricted bindings and 2012 Ruler Restricted boots and they go great together. The only issue I've had is something is tearing up the rubberized material on the left side of my right (rear) boot. From what I can tell, the only thing rubbing that spot is the ankle strap, so maybe my riding technique is a little sloppy...

m0rph3us · 01-23-2013, 04:26 PM

That's exactly just what I wanted to hear.

By the way, it is pretty cool how most of the manufacturers have reps that pop up on these threads to explain stuff like this for us.

BurtonBindings · 01-23-2013, 06:40 PM

I'm no rep.
I'm the product manager.

I make stuff.
Reps sell stuff.

m0rph3us · 01-23-2013, 06:49 PM

That's even better then.

By the way, your job is awesome and I want it (although I would have no idea how to do it).

TorpedoVegas · 01-23-2013, 07:56 PM

I thought this thread was funny because half the time you see threads where people are like:

"my boots packed out in 10 days and I had to get new ones...15 days! ....I only got 20 days before these ones packed out"

or else people are like:

" WTF! I only have 40 days on these boots and now I have some scratches on the back...what do I do now!"....hehe

I can't figure you people out.

JBthe3rd · 01-24-2013, 07:13 AM

I wish I woulda know this ahead of time... These are really good bindings but they have messed up my Nike Vapens after only 2 days of riding.. Smh

jwelsh83 · 01-24-2013, 07:01 PM

BurtonBindings - appreciate the info on the reasoning of the ridges and backstay. How come no ridges on some of the newer bindings like the Malavita, Genesis, or Diode...because of the hammock back? Also, is the backstay on ALL burton boots? Thanks!

01-24-2013, 07:13 AM	#19 (permalink)
JBthe3rd Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: DMV Posts: 177	Burton Cartel, chewed up boots...HELP! I wish I woulda know this ahead of time... These are really good bindings but they have messed up my Nike Vapens after only 2 days of riding.. Smh

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01-23-2013, 01:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
m0rph3us Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 47	After reading this I had a look at my Burton Rulers when I got home. They have a line down the back of the calf/heel that looks like its designed to try and grip the ridges in the heel cup. No idea if it actually makes any difference to riding.

01-23-2013, 03:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
BurtonBindings -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Burlington, VT, USA Posts: 53	Yep. That ridge down the back of the boots is called a backstay. It's a polymer or co-polymer that adds some rigidity to the boots so the don't break down as fast with boots without it. We put those ridges in the highback to interlock with the ridges of our boots for better heel hold. It's unfortunate that other companies don't use such backstays because it does drastically pro-long the life of a boot. However, I can assure you that we didn't put them there to sabotage your non-burton boots. Also, they've been in our highbacks for several years dating back to 2007.

01-23-2013, 03:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
m0rph3us Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 47	^^ This makes me pretty stoked to have just bought some Burton Cartels to go with my Ruler boots (which I love).

01-23-2013, 04:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
super-rad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 116	I have 2012 Cartel Restricted bindings and 2012 Ruler Restricted boots and they go great together. The only issue I've had is something is tearing up the rubberized material on the left side of my right (rear) boot. From what I can tell, the only thing rubbing that spot is the ankle strap, so maybe my riding technique is a little sloppy...

01-23-2013, 04:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
m0rph3us Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 47	That's exactly just what I wanted to hear. By the way, it is pretty cool how most of the manufacturers have reps that pop up on these threads to explain stuff like this for us.

01-23-2013, 06:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
BurtonBindings -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Burlington, VT, USA Posts: 53	I'm no rep. I'm the product manager. I make stuff. Reps sell stuff.

01-23-2013, 06:49 PM	#17 (permalink)
m0rph3us Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 47	That's even better then. By the way, your job is awesome and I want it (although I would have no idea how to do it).

01-23-2013, 07:56 PM	#18 (permalink)
TorpedoVegas Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 343	I thought this thread was funny because half the time you see threads where people are like: "my boots packed out in 10 days and I had to get new ones...15 days! ....I only got 20 days before these ones packed out" or else people are like: " WTF! I only have 40 days on these boots and now I have some scratches on the back...what do I do now!"....hehe I can't figure you people out.

01-24-2013, 07:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
jwelsh83 Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 55	BurtonBindings - appreciate the info on the reasoning of the ridges and backstay. How come no ridges on some of the newer bindings like the Malavita, Genesis, or Diode...because of the hammock back? Also, is the backstay on ALL burton boots? Thanks!