Burton Cartel, chewed up boots...HELP! - Snowboarding Forum

jwelsh83 · 01-19-2013, 08:23 PM

Guys and Gals. I'm new to the snowboard forum and would consider myself a transition between new-intermediate snowboarder and recently bought some new Burton Cartels for my Burton Process board. I wear size 10 boot and have a large binding. I wear Nike DK's, which I do know that Nike boots are probably some of the biggest boots out there. I went through as usual with setting up the bindings like my last ones...adjust the toe ramp, center the straps with the boot, adjust the high back parallel with the board, yada yada. after going out with the new set up, Ive noticed the back of my boots showing significant wear on the heal, where it rests against the high back. Since I ride goofy, I've noticed the most wear on the right boot that the insulation is poking through the whole. I don't know if it's issue with me ratcheting my bindings too tight, maybe my heel is moving while ratcheted causing the rub and wear or maybe I need to adjust the ankle strap so it is applying more pressure toward the high back when it is ratcheted to provide more stability, thus, no additional wear. Nothing like spending $200-$300 on boots and having them get chewed...I would appreciate some insight...Thanks!

ARSENALFAN · 01-19-2013, 08:35 PM

http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boo...t-causing.html

Those Cartels we have are very hungry.

jwelsh83 · 01-19-2013, 08:39 PM

NO JOKE MAN! I just bought these DK's for this season...I did notice the ridges on the binding and found that to be the culprit. So other than that, no other fix really? No issues with ratcheting too tight or anything? Kinda sucks...I just didn't know if it was something I was doing...Maybe that is a flaw burton needs to know about.

ARSENALFAN · 01-19-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jwelsh83

NO JOKE MAN! I just bought these DK's for this season...I did notice the ridges on the binding and found that to be the culprit. So other than that, no other fix really? No issues with ratcheting too tight or anything? Kinda sucks...I just didn't know if it was something I was doing...Maybe that is a flaw burton needs to know about.

Use that shit the guy told me about in the thread. Boots good as new. I ride Now IPO's now unless I am on my powder board, so I expect a little less wear.

jwelsh83 · 01-21-2013, 03:48 PM

Thanks for help man. I ended up going out and getting some Malavita EST's and the same shop I bought the Cartels. There's no ridge on the lower of the high back on the Malavitas. I explained everything to the shop about the Cartels and a manager there said he works with Burton and knows the guy who helps design their bindings and said he'd talk to them and he'd see about what to do with my Cartels. I ended up getting a reply from Burton and they tried telling it was an issue with my boots and needed to contact Nike...yea okay...Ill wait and see what the manager of the shop says...If worse comes to worse, Ill sell the Cartels to somebody. Beats buying new boots in the future and having those get chewed up too.

m0rph3us · 01-21-2013, 08:26 PM

Ironically, my Burton Ruler boots put some pretty heavy wear on the ankle straps on my Union Atlas bindings. Maybe Burton gear is either a) just a lot tougher, or b) likes trashing competitor gear?

StrattonRider · 01-21-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jwelsh83

Guys and Gals. I'm new to the snowboard forum and would consider myself a transition between new-intermediate snowboarder and recently bought some new Burton Cartels for my Burton Process board. I wear size 10 boot and have a large binding. I wear Nike DK's, which I do know that Nike boots are probably some of the biggest boots out there. I went through as usual with setting up the bindings like my last ones...adjust the toe ramp, center the straps with the boot, adjust the high back parallel with the board, yada yada. after going out with the new set up, Ive noticed the back of my boots showing significant wear on the heal, where it rests against the high back. Since I ride goofy, I've noticed the most wear on the right boot that the insulation is poking through the whole. I don't know if it's issue with me ratcheting my bindings too tight, maybe my heel is moving while ratcheted causing the rub and wear or maybe I need to adjust the ankle strap so it is applying more pressure toward the high back when it is ratcheted to provide more stability, thus, no additional wear. Nothing like spending $200-$300 on boots and having them get chewed...I would appreciate some insight...Thanks!

i have the cartels also and i have nike vapen boot. There is a hole in my back boot heal. it went right through the top material and you can see white. I think it is the ridges in the heal cup of the binding. It helps with your front foot but just tears through your back foot. I don't think i will buy cartels again.

cwilson · 01-21-2013, 09:36 PM

if the ridges are whats causing the damage why not just file/sand them down so that they are smooth?

jwelsh83 · 01-22-2013, 08:16 AM

cwilson, I thought about filing down the ridges, but why does one need to spend $250+ on bindings and resort to altering them? The most recent email I again received from Burton was that they told me they could send me another high back but since they were used they could not set up a return, which is understandable. The Burton Missions also have the high back ridge, but my question is why is the ridge there if some of their other high end bindings like the Malavita, Genesis, and Diode do not have it?! I know those bindings have their heel hammock, but still...if it serves a purpose?! I love the Cartels and functionality isn't an issue, It's the fact that they will eat your $200+ boots!

jwelsh83 · 01-22-2013, 08:20 AM

These are my boots, Nike DK's, size 10 on a Large Cartel...not too much wear, but enough to show insulation after only 7 uses!

01-19-2013, 08:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
jwelsh83 -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ohio...the armpit of America Posts: 90	Burton Cartel, chewed up boots...HELP! Guys and Gals. I'm new to the snowboard forum and would consider myself a transition between new-intermediate snowboarder and recently bought some new Burton Cartels for my Burton Process board. I wear size 10 boot and have a large binding. I wear Nike DK's, which I do know that Nike boots are probably some of the biggest boots out there. I went through as usual with setting up the bindings like my last ones...adjust the toe ramp, center the straps with the boot, adjust the high back parallel with the board, yada yada. after going out with the new set up, Ive noticed the back of my boots showing significant wear on the heal, where it rests against the high back. Since I ride goofy, I've noticed the most wear on the right boot that the insulation is poking through the whole. I don't know if it's issue with me ratcheting my bindings too tight, maybe my heel is moving while ratcheted causing the rub and wear or maybe I need to adjust the ankle strap so it is applying more pressure toward the high back when it is ratcheted to provide more stability, thus, no additional wear. Nothing like spending $200-$300 on boots and having them get chewed...I would appreciate some insight...Thanks!

01-22-2013, 08:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
jwelsh83 -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ohio...the armpit of America Posts: 90	cwilson, I thought about filing down the ridges, but why does one need to spend $250+ on bindings and resort to altering them? The most recent email I again received from Burton was that they told me they could send me another high back but since they were used they could not set up a return, which is understandable. The Burton Missions also have the high back ridge, but my question is why is the ridge there if some of their other high end bindings like the Malavita, Genesis, and Diode do not have it?! I know those bindings have their heel hammock, but still...if it serves a purpose?! I love the Cartels and functionality isn't an issue, It's the fact that they will eat your $200+ boots! Last edited by jwelsh83; 01-22-2013 at 08:22 AM.

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01-19-2013, 08:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
ARSENALFAN -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Calgary Posts: 604	http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boo...t-causing.html Those Cartels we have are very hungry.

01-19-2013, 08:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
jwelsh83 -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ohio...the armpit of America Posts: 90	NO JOKE MAN! I just bought these DK's for this season...I did notice the ridges on the binding and found that to be the culprit. So other than that, no other fix really? No issues with ratcheting too tight or anything? Kinda sucks...I just didn't know if it was something I was doing...Maybe that is a flaw burton needs to know about.

01-21-2013, 03:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
jwelsh83 -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ohio...the armpit of America Posts: 90	Thanks for help man. I ended up going out and getting some Malavita EST's and the same shop I bought the Cartels. There's no ridge on the lower of the high back on the Malavitas. I explained everything to the shop about the Cartels and a manager there said he works with Burton and knows the guy who helps design their bindings and said he'd talk to them and he'd see about what to do with my Cartels. I ended up getting a reply from Burton and they tried telling it was an issue with my boots and needed to contact Nike...yea okay...Ill wait and see what the manager of the shop says...If worse comes to worse, Ill sell the Cartels to somebody. Beats buying new boots in the future and having those get chewed up too.

01-21-2013, 08:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
m0rph3us Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 67	Ironically, my Burton Ruler boots put some pretty heavy wear on the ankle straps on my Union Atlas bindings. Maybe Burton gear is either a) just a lot tougher, or b) likes trashing competitor gear?

01-21-2013, 09:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
cwilson Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 7	if the ridges are whats causing the damage why not just file/sand them down so that they are smooth?