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post #21 of 34 (permalink) Old 01-27-2013, 01:37 PM
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any input on vitas or cartels for all mtn freestyle??
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Bindings are not better or worse in any given terrain. That type of distinction is only a factor for the board itself because it touches the snow.

super specialized products like race (Gate bashing) and split board bindings are a slightly different story.

Jeremy Jones ride the Diode for a great deal of urban riding. Frederik Kalbermatten uses them for Backcountry Freestyle. Peetu uses them for transition riding.

Sollars runs the Malavita for Backcountry Freestyle and Zak Hale uses them to ride park and street.

A bindings function, by our philosophy, is as follows and in order of priority:
1. Keep your feet on the board.
2. Compliment they way a board rides.
3. Fit the boot.

That's it. A binding choice, functionally, has far more to do with what board and boot you're using.
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i am riding M size prophecy with nike kaiju 2012 size 10...


I am going to try L because i feel my foot is being "smashed" in the sides...

And it hurts me riding....

might be the binding?


In lenght the M goes all the way to the 11 or 12 maxed out
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Bindings are not better or worse in any given terrain. That type of distinction is only a factor for the board itself because it touches the snow.

super specialized products like race (Gate bashing) and split board bindings are a slightly different story.

Jeremy Jones ride the Diode for a great deal of urban riding. Frederik Kalbermatten uses them for Backcountry Freestyle. Peetu uses them for transition riding.

Sollars runs the Malavita for Backcountry Freestyle and Zak Hale uses them to ride park and street.

A bindings function, by our philosophy, is as follows and in order of priority:
1. Keep your feet on the board.
2. Compliment they way a board rides.
3. Fit the boot.

That's it. A binding choice, functionally, has far more to do with what board and boot you're using.
Interesting. You say bindings are not better or worse in any given terrain yet they should compliment the way a board rides, which surely by definition can be very much better or worse depending on the terrain.

I take your inferred point that personal preference is often the deciding factor, but my point is going strictly by your logic I should focus more on how it complements the board, but if I'm never going to use a board built for say backcountry freeriding as my street jibbing board then difficult to see how you cannot be influenced by terrain when selecting the correct binding.
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Only in the effect that, and i'll use the Burton Binding Line, as a reference but it holds true in nearly every brand in the market.

If you have a board like, let's say the Burton Clash or K2 Brigade, Biax Glass, Extruded base, low-end, soft, and very easy to ride for a beginner. A binding like the Cartel with a mid-glass loaded content is likely to overpower the board. A softer flexing binding, like a Custom or a Freestyle, for that customer and that board are likely to be more appropriate as this customer, generally speaking, isn't skilled enough to compensate how they ride based on the product being less forgiving.

The Inverse is also generally true.

A mid-stiff toe to heel binding like the Cartel, is in all likelihood, more appropriate for a board like the Burton Custom or another comparable board with Triax Glass and some hits of carbon stringers, etc.

It comes down to this relationship in board material content and the relationship with the boot fit, that makes a good binding decision for most people. Which true, the board is built for some semblance of specific terrain, however, it's bill of materials and to a point shape largely dictate what binding is most appropriate.

So, in the case of "what binding is best for all mountain freestyle?" can be answered with ALL of them. From our Freestyle or our Diode are all applicable. What's the rider's ability, what board(s) are they using and what boot... these factors are they only merit in making such a decision.
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So, in the case of "what binding is best for all mountain freestyle?" can be answered with ALL of them. From our Freestyle or our Diode are all applicable. What's the rider's ability, what board(s) are they using and what boot... these factors are they only merit in making such a decision.
okay then,

im a solid intermediate rider (jumps, spins, hard carving, switch riding, etc)

im riding a NS Proto CTX

i use Burton Ambush Boots


GO!
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I'd say Cartel.
there's slightly less play in the straps medial laterally which is a marginal benefit for "hard carving".
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Ok well as far as size go, should i go for mediums or larges with an 11 boot with shrinkage? Im currently riding larges but maybe sizing down would be a better option?
I would definitely stick to large with a size 11 even with shrikage
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I disagree with 10sullivanb completely.
And i only disagree because i make them and personally did the fit testing.
Both for the consumer market and for Mikkel Bang.
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Get size Medium.
Trust me.
This guy's name is BURTONBINDINGS, and he says trust him. So do so. I agree with him.
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