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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 02-15-2013, 05:02 AM
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Like stated before both bindings are awesome and you can't go wrong here so here are my pros and cons first.

Union, Pros; base plates are bomb proof, best sole length adjustment around, aluminum heel loop making the stiffer and a bit more responsive, high back itself is killer also. I also like the slot disc that can easily slide the binding to adjust in smaller increments when it comes to stance.
Cons; straps themselves SUCK they are a pain in the ass to open especially the toe strap, and to me one of the worst toe straps on the market. High back rotation is very limited, no canted base plate padding, hardware on straps seem to constantly loosen, strap location cannot me adjusted, non flexing base plate.

Burton; Pros, auto can't base plates, plush straps with smooth glide buckles easy to get in and out of, high back height and stiffness makes for powerful heel side turns, forward lean adjustment is much smoother, depending on model flex able base plate, best high back rotation around, toe straps are much better and stay in place better.
Cons, no sole length adjustment, not a fan of the plastic heel loop, no toe or heel ramps to adjust, not as stiff as the Unions base plate wise.

To me either is an awesome choice but when you list it out I think I just talked myself in a set of new Cartels one day. But I do like the union for full on reliability due to simple design also. For an All-Mountain rig sorry to say but Union wins in my mind.
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Keep the Atlas. I'm pretty impressed with how they performs for all mountain. A couple of clicks of forward lean and the highback grips your boot like a glove. More power transfer in the highback and toe strap. The Unions are the way to go.

Plus if you ever decide to step up your freestyle game you can run the Atlas highback stright up with no forward lean and it's fully torsional and move the toe strap back into a cap and you have a solid park binding.
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Like stated before both bindings are awesome and you can't go wrong here so here are my pros and cons first.

Union, Pros; base plates are bomb proof, best sole length adjustment around, aluminum heel loop making the stiffer and a bit more responsive, high back itself is killer also. I also like the slot disc that can easily slide the binding to adjust in smaller increments when it comes to stance.
Cons; straps themselves SUCK they are a pain in the ass to open especially the toe strap, and to me one of the worst toe straps on the market. High back rotation is very limited, no canted base plate padding, hardware on straps seem to constantly loosen, strap location cannot me adjusted, non flexing base plate.

Burton; Pros, auto can't base plates, plush straps with smooth glide buckles easy to get in and out of, high back height and stiffness makes for powerful heel side turns, forward lean adjustment is much smoother, depending on model flex able base plate, best high back rotation around, toe straps are much better and stay in place better.
Cons, no sole length adjustment, not a fan of the plastic heel loop, no toe or heel ramps to adjust, not as stiff as the Unions base plate wise.

To me either is an awesome choice but when you list it out I think I just talked myself in a set of new Cartels one day. But I do like the union for full on reliability due to simple design also. For an All-Mountain rig sorry to say but Union wins in my mind.
Appreciate the feedback and the pros and cons. Really insightful and this was what I was hoping to get.

Someone else recommended I try both...since I've got 4-5 days in Vail/Breck coming up, I think that may be a good option. Couple days on both should give me a pretty good idea of what I like.

Thanks to all for their comments and insights.
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From what I remember, the amount of padding is equal on both sides. It's just that the inside padding is softer, compressing more under the weight of your body than the other side
I think you are right. I havn't been on auto cant pads, but there's no visible canting to them. Rome's canting on the other hand looks exactly like how I described.
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Good. So it sounds like everybody would benefit from canting. Right?
Theoretically yeah, some people don't like it though. I love my canting on my Rome 390's though, but I havn't used auto cant yet. I shoulda bought the damn Cartel's I saw for 140 last night on Whiskey..hrm.
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Theoretically yeah, some people don't like it though. I love my canting on my Rome 390's though, but I havn't used auto cant yet. I shoulda bought the damn Cartel's I saw for 140 last night on Whiskey..hrm.
Next time when I pop into my local snowboard shop I will study a pair of Cartels and try to appreciate what canting bed is all about. Thanks.
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Cartels for sure, with the great straps, buttery ratchets, and that soft footbed.

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