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Old 02-16-2013, 12:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default diode vs cartel vs SL vs atlas

its down to these 4, they all have great reviews

they will most likely be going on a

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capita black snowboard of death
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SL. Cartel and Atlas not balls enough for those boards.
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SL. Cartel and Atlas not balls enough for those boards.
Yeahhh, the SL's are not stiffer than Cartels. Its the Atlas frame which is softer than the Force which isnt super stiff itself.

I'd say Cartels from that short list.
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If the reflex cartel are softer than the previous cartel then they are def softer than the SL's.

The Atlas and the Force baseplates are similar in stiffness. The Atlas just has a smaller contact profile so there's less dead spot. But from edge to edge, it's almost identical..med-stiff.
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I will have to respectfully disagree.

After riding the Atlas I cant see them being a med-stiff frame. The frame had about as much give as my old Quattro's which were just a polycarb frame with no glass. I'd give it just below mid. And the new Cartel highback felt only marginally stiffer than the Atlas. Fairly close really. So if the SL uses the same frame as the Atlas the highback would have to be like Ride SPi stiff and I just dont see that happening from Union, it's not how they build their bindings.
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I will have to respectfully disagree.

After riding the Atlas I cant see them being a med-stiff frame. The frame had about as much give as my old Quattro's which were just a polycarb frame with no glass. I'd give it just below mid. And the new Cartel highback felt only marginally stiffer than the Atlas. Fairly close really. So if the SL uses the same frame as the Atlas the highback would have to be like Ride SPi stiff and I just dont see that happening from Union, it's not how they build their bindings.
So after riding them, did you feel their responsiveness matched their stiffness? I hear their bindings are akin to a Burton Ion... very responsive for their flex rating.
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I will have to respectfully disagree.

After riding the Atlas I cant see them being a med-stiff frame. The frame had about as much give as my old Quattro's which were just a polycarb frame with no glass. I'd give it just below mid. And the new Cartel highback felt only marginally stiffer than the Atlas. Fairly close really. So if the SL uses the same frame as the Atlas the highback would have to be like Ride SPi stiff and I just dont see that happening from Union, it's not how they build their bindings.
Yeah I can see that. The Atlas baseplate def isn't as stiff as the previous SL carbon injected one that is currently on the Charger. I'd say the Charger baseplate is med-stiff, the Atlas medium. But I still say its in the same class as the non-reflex Cartel. I haven't riddent he reflex so I coudn't say really, only that I've heard others report that it's more flexible.

Even though the Cartel highback is noticably stiffer the power transfer of the Atlas exceeds it.
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Cartels.

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That empty cavity under the heel just killed any kind of precision for me on heelside turns with the Atlas. This is one of the big reasons I think the Factory will be that much better than the Atlas.

Reflex softens up the ride a bit, but I never felt like it effected the precision and power I could get out of the binding. By killing the dead spot the way the do in the middle of the binding with the flex disc and hinged frame maintains 90% of the precision of the solid disc frames. The way Union does it with picking the frame off the board and putting down EVA works differently. It has a certain "mush" factor since when you push into the frame it has to push through the bushing to get to the board. Characteristically it is a surfier skatey feel that is great for some, not so great for others. I personally never had an issue with it with any of mine, it was other factors that pushed me into other brands.
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